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#391 of 599 So there you go... by iluvmysephia1 Jun 15, 2005 (5:55 pm)
on the "clear bra" thing. I don't think I'd fork out $600 for that, would you?   OTOH-it would be nice to have the rock chip protection, eh?
#392 of 599 3M "clear bra" by z71bill Jun 18, 2005 (5:22 pm)
Its been a few years since I had any major body work done - maybe the cost of a paint job has shot up - but seems like you should be able to get your whole car painted for less than $600.   I also don't like the way the so called "clear" bra looks. If 3M offered to PAY ME $600 I would still pass on it. Replies to this message: jcf (Jun 27, 2005 8:37 am) tonylexus (Jun 28, 2005 7:31 am) jcf (Jun 28, 2005 3:27 pm)
#393 of 599 I don't know... by iluvmysephia1 Jun 18, 2005 (5:48 pm)
if 3M offered to put it on my car for free I'd let them. As long as I didn't have to advertise the product for them on the side of my car! Gotta draw the line there. I'm really undecided about this procedure and it's real worth. Anybody had it done that recommends it?
#394 of 599 Re: brake pedal clicks... [greekguy78] by jcmtnez Jun 19, 2005 (11:31 am)
Replying to: greekguy78 (Apr 18, 2005 2:34 am) They told me in the dealershipt that this noise comes from the engine. They say that this is the system that look the engine if you are not using the key with the factory microchip. But I don't know if that's true. Replies to this message: mark19 (Jun 19, 2005 9:42 pm)
#395 of 599 Re: brake pedal clicks... [jcmtnez] by mark19 Jun 19, 2005 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: jcmtnez (Jun 19, 2005 11:31 am) That is the funniest thing I've ever heard, jcmtnez! The click is coming from the brake pedal, it's the brake light switch.. I took a month until i found it.. sounds like you need to find a better dealership, one that doesn't give excuses.. Go to a better Scion dealer and have them get up under the dash, hit the brake pedal and hear the click from the brake light switch themselves.. And a factory chip? You're talking of the engine immobilizer, and all keys have this, otherwise the car won't start. And there is no clicking for the car to identify the chip in the key..
#396 of 599 Paint & other Issues by jcf Jun 27, 2005 (8:37 am)
Replying to: z71bill (Jun 18, 2005 5:22 pm) I've had my 6 month old tC in the body shop 3 times already. Is that a record?   The first time was to repair a fender scrape that must have occurred during shipping. The Toy dealer did it for free under warranty, including a free car rental for 3 days. They repainted the whole fender and It looked perfect when I got it back, except...   The second time was to repaint the front bumper - which they had damaged while putting my fender back on. They did a quick 1 day job, but it looked perfect. Free warranty repair again and great service from the dealership.   The third time was to repair two damages. Came back from vacation and found my parked car's hood dented AND my rear bumper hit - two separate accidents thank you.   To give you an idea of pricing - at a certified Toyota repair shop (and only certain Toy dealerships are Toyota certified): Repainting the rear fender, with minimal body work, was over $500. Repairing the small dent in the hood and repainting it was about $250. Adding another $100 for 3 days car rental made the whole affair expensive and inconvenient. This new shop did less than a perfect job too - leaving small bubbles in the hood and overspraying paint on my wheel.   Meanwhile, my front bumper is showing nicks - sooner than any other new car I've ever owned; the sunroof is still rattling - after 2 different dealership repair attempts; my rear hatch is rattling - which the dealership tried to diagnose as loose tools; the manual shifting remains unbelievably sloppy and vague; the long heavy doors pose a constant problem for getting in and out; the hatchback is far more heavy and less convenient than any trunk; the open stereo lid still annoys me; the stereo controls are inconvenient; the headrest won't move back away from my head enough; the high beam indicator light is too annoyingly bright; the remote key entry is too tempormental; the cruise control speeds up 4 mph going down interstate grades; and trying to keep all that roof glass clean is a chore.   The car reminds me of my 88 Jeep Wrangler that looked great and had awesome capability but was plagued with problems - giving me a love/hate relationship. The tC's a good looker, good performer, and great value - but the numerous little problems are detracting from my joy with the purchase. OK, so maybe I'm a bit critical, but I didn't have these problems or feelings with the Miata I sold. I've concluded that if my tc gets stolen or totaled, I won't be buying another one. Replies to this message: tonylexus (Jun 28, 2005 7:31 am) jcf (Jun 28, 2005 3:27 pm)
#397 of 599 Wow by stickguy Jun 27, 2005 (2:33 pm)
you are picky.   I'm kinda in the same boat. Generally the car has been fine, but just enough problems/annoyances to put a bad taste in my mouth. I agree that if it was totalled, I would get something different.   I toy with just getting something else anyway, but I do that no matter what I have! 4 doors would be easier since I reguarly cart around my 2 kids, but they can fit OK. Just a pain getting in/out sometimes.
#398 of 599 Re: Paint & other Issues [jcf] by tonylexus Jun 28, 2005 (7:31 am)
Replying to: jcf (Jun 27, 2005 8:37 am) Wow, again - you are picky.   I can't imagine what you would be like had you bought a $60K Jag with just as many little problems and a few major issues (as described in several car mag reviews) as well!   This is a $17k compact commuter. Other than a transient creak or rattle, I'm not experiencing any of the 'problems' you are and compared to the competion in this class of vehicle, I am very satisfied. I realize that doesn't help you at all but the preference issues are things that should be considered before the purchase, I think the quality issues are being overstated for a car in this class.   The radio door has been a source of much discussion. I do not find that it 'sticks out' too much, in fact the bit of a hood helps shade it in direct sun. the bottom ledge is nice for resting fingers when surfing. I have no problems with the operation, though it is open most all of the time. I do like the fact that you can change the look of the dash by opening or closing it. Then again I try to look at the bright side of things. Though not real happy with buttons vs. knobs, I knew that going in and decided that it was something I could live with.   Would I buy another one? probably not but only because I like to drive so many types of vehicles, I would wish to try something very different next time around. That being said, I would certainly recommend the car to someone else and while it is in the stable, I am enjoying it and can say I am completely satisfied. Replies to this message: jcf (Jun 28, 2005 3:27 pm)
#399 of 599 Re: Paint & other Issues [tonylexus] by jcf Jun 28, 2005 (3:27 pm)
Replying to: tonylexus (Jun 28, 2005 7:31 am) You guys are fair. I was afraid I might get more crucified after that posting. Yes, I am picky. God help the girl that ever tries to adopt me.   I realize the car's got a lot of quality and plenty of features for the 17K price. That's why I agree with MT's 5 star value rating and why I bought it.   Some of the stupid design quirks - like the 1/3 lit brake light and stereo cover - are things I expected. The rattles and soft paint are quality issues I did not expect. Its the summation of little design quirks, quality problems, and coupe impracticalities that's making me wish I'd bought the Mazda 3 sedan. Still, without spending more for an RSX, I can't think of a better coupe in the sub 20K range. How's that for being fair?
#400 of 599 Re: squaek and creak fix [stickguy] by jcf Jun 28, 2005 (3:37 pm)
Replying to: stickguy (May 06, 2005 5:43 am) Stickguy,   Its been awhile with your roof fix. Tell us, is it still tight? I don't want to subject my car to the invasive work if the noise still isn't fixed.   I'll try a third time - if there's some hope. You know, it burns me that two different dealerships have claimed to fix my roof, while I hear the same rattles driving it right out of the shop. Apparently though, just tightening some screws with locktight is not enough.

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