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#387 of 599 Compared to what I drive by aeroluvr Jun 13, 2005 (4:11 am)
Hi..I am the proud owner of a 1993 (yes 1993) Nissan 240SX XE. Hatchback, moonroof, automatic, etc. This car looks to be similar but I gotta say I NEVER had ANY of the cracks, creaks, squeaks, noises reported here on the Nissan. I do have to wonder if these issues are why there are so FEW hatchbacks on the market anymore. Haven't tried out a Scion yet but plan to soon but would like some input here and even better if anyone ever had a 240SX. The handling of the 240SX is amazing..I also have a "fun" car..a bmw Z3 and I swear the almost 13 year old Nissan handles even better than the beamer. I have NEVER had ANY major work done on it either. Just brakes and few light bulbs over the 13 years. The reason I've held onto it so long, never found anything I liked as well. ALMOST bought a Mitsu Eclipse. Then almost a Mustang. Was looking for a bit more power/larger engine but wasn't thrilled with either one and when priced as I wanted they were over or at 30 grand.   Is the 2006 model out yet for Scion? I have no Toyota history..was always a Nissan/Datsun gal but since Nissan has nothing in that class anymore, it's time for a change.   So far I've read problems with 3rd gear manual (I would want automatic), a "stupid" radio cover that sounds like they didn't "get" what would work for people and how stupid it looks open, a problem with the sun roof coming loose, rattling, creaking, cracking, etc. which is of concern (have a full pop up moon roof on the Nissan, never a hiss all these years) and the hatchback rattling/clicking sounds. Coming from a very quiet 13 year old car, I'm sure some of this would bug me so hoping to hear there are improvements in the new model. Thanks for any input. Replies to this message: redrider (Jun 14, 2005 9:17 am)
#388 of 599 Re: Compared to what I drive [aeroluvr] by redrider Jun 14, 2005 (9:17 am)
Replying to: aeroluvr (Jun 13, 2005 4:11 am) It seems that the manual transmission Scion tC has a severe jerking when first started and driven with a slight throttle in first gear. It happens when the engine is cold and only lasts for about 2-3 minutes. It is extremely annoying when it happens in a parking lot as the jerking goes on 10-15 times and is quite severe. Dealer is trying to ignore it, but quite severe jerking is difficult to understand for a Toyota product. Anyone else have the same dealership reaction to this?
#389 of 599 Re: A rather long thread in Scionlife about the paint job quality [osu1298grad] by 3vstc Jun 15, 2005 (2:08 am)
Replying to: osu1298grad (Jun 11, 2005 6:27 pm) I was wondering what the deal was with the paint on the 05 tc's. Is it all the colors or just some of them. Is the paint just bad or what. Also if i were going to buy now (mid june 2005) should i get a 06. will the 06's be alot more expensive with hidden charges or raised apr. Also if i am 6 feet tall and thin, will i fit comfortably in the tc, and what is a better buy, tc or mazda 3. whats better on the highway.
#390 of 599 Re: A rather long thread in Scionlife about the paint job quality [osu1298grad] by genee Jun 15, 2005 (9:25 am)
Replying to: osu1298grad (Jun 11, 2005 6:27 pm) Regarding the 3M "clear bra" ... I priced them out when I first got my tC. $600 seemed to be the median price. Then finding someone who did the work was something else. The nearest "authorized" shop was 200 miles away. The price was for the full package - hood, front, mirrors, etc.
#391 of 599 So there you go... by iluvmysephia1 Jun 15, 2005 (5:55 pm)
on the "clear bra" thing. I don't think I'd fork out $600 for that, would you?   OTOH-it would be nice to have the rock chip protection, eh?
#392 of 599 3M "clear bra" by z71bill Jun 18, 2005 (5:22 pm)
Its been a few years since I had any major body work done - maybe the cost of a paint job has shot up - but seems like you should be able to get your whole car painted for less than $600.   I also don't like the way the so called "clear" bra looks. If 3M offered to PAY ME $600 I would still pass on it. Replies to this message: jcf (Jun 27, 2005 8:37 am) tonylexus (Jun 28, 2005 7:31 am) jcf (Jun 28, 2005 3:27 pm)
#393 of 599 I don't know... by iluvmysephia1 Jun 18, 2005 (5:48 pm)
if 3M offered to put it on my car for free I'd let them. As long as I didn't have to advertise the product for them on the side of my car! Gotta draw the line there. I'm really undecided about this procedure and it's real worth. Anybody had it done that recommends it?
#394 of 599 Re: brake pedal clicks... [greekguy78] by jcmtnez Jun 19, 2005 (11:31 am)
Replying to: greekguy78 (Apr 18, 2005 2:34 am) They told me in the dealershipt that this noise comes from the engine. They say that this is the system that look the engine if you are not using the key with the factory microchip. But I don't know if that's true. Replies to this message: mark19 (Jun 19, 2005 9:42 pm)
#395 of 599 Re: brake pedal clicks... [jcmtnez] by mark19 Jun 19, 2005 (9:42 pm)
Replying to: jcmtnez (Jun 19, 2005 11:31 am) That is the funniest thing I've ever heard, jcmtnez! The click is coming from the brake pedal, it's the brake light switch.. I took a month until i found it.. sounds like you need to find a better dealership, one that doesn't give excuses.. Go to a better Scion dealer and have them get up under the dash, hit the brake pedal and hear the click from the brake light switch themselves.. And a factory chip? You're talking of the engine immobilizer, and all keys have this, otherwise the car won't start. And there is no clicking for the car to identify the chip in the key..
#396 of 599 Paint & other Issues by jcf Jun 27, 2005 (8:37 am)
Replying to: z71bill (Jun 18, 2005 5:22 pm) I've had my 6 month old tC in the body shop 3 times already. Is that a record?   The first time was to repair a fender scrape that must have occurred during shipping. The Toy dealer did it for free under warranty, including a free car rental for 3 days. They repainted the whole fender and It looked perfect when I got it back, except...   The second time was to repaint the front bumper - which they had damaged while putting my fender back on. They did a quick 1 day job, but it looked perfect. Free warranty repair again and great service from the dealership.   The third time was to repair two damages. Came back from vacation and found my parked car's hood dented AND my rear bumper hit - two separate accidents thank you.   To give you an idea of pricing - at a certified Toyota repair shop (and only certain Toy dealerships are Toyota certified): Repainting the rear fender, with minimal body work, was over $500. Repairing the small dent in the hood and repainting it was about $250. Adding another $100 for 3 days car rental made the whole affair expensive and inconvenient. This new shop did less than a perfect job too - leaving small bubbles in the hood and overspraying paint on my wheel.   Meanwhile, my front bumper is showing nicks - sooner than any other new car I've ever owned; the sunroof is still rattling - after 2 different dealership repair attempts; my rear hatch is rattling - which the dealership tried to diagnose as loose tools; the manual shifting remains unbelievably sloppy and vague; the long heavy doors pose a constant problem for getting in and out; the hatchback is far more heavy and less convenient than any trunk; the open stereo lid still annoys me; the stereo controls are inconvenient; the headrest won't move back away from my head enough; the high beam indicator light is too annoyingly bright; the remote key entry is too tempormental; the cruise control speeds up 4 mph going down interstate grades; and trying to keep all that roof glass clean is a chore.   The car reminds me of my 88 Jeep Wrangler that looked great and had awesome capability but was plagued with problems - giving me a love/hate relationship. The tC's a good looker, good performer, and great value - but the numerous little problems are detracting from my joy with the purchase. OK, so maybe I'm a bit critical, but I didn't have these problems or feelings with the Miata I sold. I've concluded that if my tc gets stolen or totaled, I won't be buying another one. Replies to this message: tonylexus (Jun 28, 2005 7:31 am) jcf (Jun 28, 2005 3:27 pm)

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