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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [qbrozen] by gagrice
May 29, 2008 (5:22 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (May 28, 2008 9:46 am)

I don't find them at all sporty.
 
I don't either. "Sport Utility Vehicle" does not imply Sporty to me. It is a vehicle used to enhance whatever Sport you may like to do. Fishing, hunting, boating, skiing, camping, etc etc. I suppose someone could argue that a BMW X5 is Sporty as it out handles most cars on the road. For me, when I think of Sporty cars I think Porsche or Ferrari. When I think of SUV it is somewhere in a range from Explorer to Suburban. For me it is a real stretch calling an RX350 an SUV. I am glad they came up with CUV. It covers a lot of wagon type vehicles that cannot perform as I would require an SUV to perform.
 
For most people a mini van would be better. And a diesel mini van would be great.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [gagrice] by qbrozen
May 29, 2008 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 29, 2008 5:22 am)

It is a vehicle used to enhance whatever Sport you may like to do. Fishing, hunting, boating, skiing, camping, etc etc.
 
Yet, I don't consider any of those things "sports."
 
Which still brings me back to my point. Since rarely can people agree what an SUV actually means or does, I call lots of things SUVs. I'll give you one point to think about. If someone's idea of an SUV is that it must be good off-roading, then I contend that a Subaru Forester is a FAR better offroader than a Suburban.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [qbrozen] by ateixeira
May 29, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (May 28, 2008 6:48 am)

I used Consumer's Guide for pricing so it could be outdated. It's a hard copy, magazine.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [gagrice] by ateixeira
May 29, 2008 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 28, 2008 9:38 am)

Well, I agree the categorizations are a bit different, but my comparisons are valid for the way 97% of buyers will actually use them.
 
I bet the Vue has more room than a Grand Cherokee. Highlander, too.
 
If you need to tow, the Tahoe hybrid is actually a good choice. And it's a lot roomier than the Touareg.
 
Besides, this is a minivan thread, how are we now getting picky about talking about truck-based SUVs only? LOL
 
Plus, anyone browsing this thread is presumably considering a minivan, so an AWD Vue, Escape, or Highlander would be as capable if not more so even for your criteria.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [ateixeira] by qbrozen
May 29, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 29, 2008 9:37 am)

Besides, this is a minivan thread, how are we now getting picky about talking about truck-based SUVs only? LOL
 
ummm... uhhhh... ahhhhh....
 
i got nothin'.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [qbrozen] by ateixeira
May 29, 2008 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (May 29, 2008 10:17 am)


 
And how that we bring that up, why no diesel or hybrid option on a minivan?
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [ateixeira] by gagrice
May 29, 2008 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 29, 2008 10:21 am)

And how that we bring that up, why no diesel or hybrid option on a minivan?
 
Excellent question. Seems Toyota and Ford both said about 5 years ago they were going to hybridize across the line-up. The EU has several choices of diesel mini vans. Same issues with the diesel mini van as with all small diesels. The CARB carrot is hung out just far enough to keep the automakers from reaching it.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [gagrice] by ateixeira
May 29, 2008 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 29, 2008 10:42 am)

Ford abandoned the minivan segment entirely, though some may argue the Flex is a minivan in drag.
 
Toyota may eventually sell one here.
 
A friend of a friend had a Renault (IIRC) diesel van, diplomatic tags, and took me for a spin. I was impressed with how flexible the seating arrangement was - basically 5 seats anywhere you want to mount them. So you could have 2-2-3, or 2-3-2, or take some out and use any combination.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [ateixeira] by gagrice
May 29, 2008 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 29, 2008 11:01 am)

It probably would not bother me so much if I did not see these in both cargo and passenger configuration with the big TDI on the back. There are a lot of them coming across with Mexican Nationals driving on our highways. So it is illegal for me to have a 35 MPG diesel van, but not someone from across the border driving in CA. Most likely driving on $2 diesel that is not ULSD. Why would they pay our high prices. There is a station just across the border selling diesel for $2.16.
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Re: Newbie, frustrated minivan mom [gagrice] by ateixeira
May 29, 2008 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 29, 2008 12:22 pm)

Same in Brazil. Diesel is cheaper than gas (1/2 the price a year ago), but it's not nearly the same quality we get here in the US.

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