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#293 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [sfeldman]
Jan 02, 2006 (3:23 pm)
I am glad you got the same feeling as I do toward the E320 CDI, a really good car indeed. I am just a diesel nut, I just don’t know what I would react if the E400 or E420 CDI do come to this shore in the near future. According to the EPA, by June 1st most of the US highways’ gas stations will have the ULSD available and by Oct. 15th all nationwide! With the HP at 300 and over 520 ft of torque out there, dear E320 owners, how would you not scratch your heads? And take a look the excerpt I got from the Diesel Tec. Forum:
Diesels for Sale in the U.S.
The following cars, pickups and SUVs are currently sold throughout the United States with diesel-powered engines.
• Audi Q7 Diesel SUV (Coming in 2007)
• Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD and 3500 trucks
• Chevrolet Express
• Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 trucks
• Dodge Ram Hybrid (Coming in 2006)
• Dodge Sprinter passenger vans
• Ford F-250 and F-350 trucks
• GMC Sierra 2500 HD
• GMC Sierra 3500
• GMC Savana G2500
• GMC Savana G3500
• H1 Alpha
• Hummer H1
• Jeep Liberty CRD
• Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI
• Mercedes-Benz C-Class diesel sedan (Coming Soon)
• Mercedes-Benz ML350 (Coming in 2006)
• Mercedes-Benz ML500 (Coming in 2006)
• Volkswagen Beetle, Golf and Jetta
• Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI
3,222-CC turbocharged 24-valve inline-6 27/37 mph 201 4,200 RPM 369 lb-ft 1800 – 2600 RPM
Mercedes-Benz C-Class diesel sedan (Coming Soon) V-6 diesel engine N/A 224 376 lb-ft 1600-2800 RPM
Mercedes-Benz ML350 (Coming in 2006) 3.7-liter V-6 N/A 245
Mercedes-Benz ML500 (Coming in 2006) V-8 N/A 292
1.9 Liter I-4 Turbo-charged Diesel - Automatic 36/42 mph 100 177 lb.-ft
1.9 Liter I-4 Turbo-charged Diesel - Manual 38/46 mph 100 177 lb.-ft
1.9 Liter I-4 Turbo-charged Diesel - Automatic 33/44 mph 100 177 lb.-ft
1.9 Liter I-4 Turbo-charged Diesel - Manual 38/46 100 177 lb.-ft
#294 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [cctdi]
Jan 02, 2006 (10:33 pm)
I think we're going to get a R320 CDI also.
Sort of confused on some of those listings. The engines you give for the ML350 is the previous generation 3-valve V6 and the ML500 has been upped to 302hp. Soon though the ML500 will change to the ML550 with the new 5.5L DOHC 32V V8. All of these are "petrol" engins though.
#295 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [merc1]
Jan 03, 2006 (6:29 pm)
The 3.7L V6 and unknown displacement V8 are the diesel engines. If there is a V6 diesel for C-Class, two for ML-Class, I don't think E-Class will miss the boat with option of the V8.
#296 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [cctdi]
Jan 03, 2006 (9:18 pm)
The only two V6 diesels Mercedes has are the new 3.0L V6 and outgoing 3.2L I6. The 3.7L V6 in the old ML350 was a variation of the old 3.2L 3-Valve gasoline V6. The new diesel V8 is a 4.0L.
V8 CDI Engine
New V6 CDI Engine
It would be nice, but I doubt we'll see the V8 CDI here in anything other than maybe a 2008 model S-Class.
#297 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [cctdi]
Jan 10, 2006 (10:57 am)
Interesting indeed to consider higher output diesel engines in the E and R class. HOWEVER, I think it would be MORE appropriate for MBZ to first begin importing the C class diesels thus making them accessible to more of the American population, and perhaps driving further awareness of improved quietness and driveability of the new diesel engines.
I do love my '06 320 CDI!!
#298 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [blissful]
Jan 11, 2006 (12:58 pm)
I, too, enjoy my '05 E320CDI very much. Probably it is the best car I have ever owned as well but I am spoiled as this is my 6th MB!
All this talk about bringing different diesel models into the US is interesting, if not confusing. To the best of my knowledge all MB diesels to date in the US have been in-line configurations of 4-, 5-, or 6-cylinders. Do they have a "V" configuration for the European market? I would be concerned about NVH (Noise, Vibration, Harshness) problems with a "V" as well - particularly a "6" as it is inherently an "unbalanced" configuration. The additional cost & complexity of internal balance shafts would likely be necessary. Europe isn't as "horsepower crazy" as we are here in the US so I can't imagine they have more powerful engines then what they're sending us already. And besides, while people ask for (and brag about) horsepower what they are really looking for in an engine is torque and the current E320CDI engine has it in spades!!!!
It's an interesting marketing challenge with where to go next with a diesel engine. The C-Class market segment is very price competitve so they may have to remove some vehicle content (power accessories, stereo features, etc.) to maintain the price. The S-Class I think is a better next step. In the past they have tried a 6-cylinder "S" to get the price down & fuel economy up but performance has suffered too much to make the vehicle attractive in the marketplace. The diesel option may be the solution.
As much as I would like to see a diesel M-Class (I also own an '02 ML500 so I know firsthand how fuel-thirsty they are!) I think there are too many Engineering hurdles to overcome. The present 4-Matic hardware probably dictates a "V" configuration engine but the "Diesel 4-Matic" market is probably too small to justify the cost to re-design the diesel engine to a "V" configuration or to re-design the 4-Matic hardware to accept an "in-line" engine. Maybe the new GL-Class is a possibility.
I am interested to here the thoughts of other owners.
#299 of 608 short answer
Jan 11, 2006 (3:44 pm)
The new diesel 6 is a v-engine--we will be getting that.
#300 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [loyalowner]
Jan 11, 2006 (6:25 pm)
Honestly, I am very satisfied with the current E320 CDI, except the uncontrollable defrost hot air on auto front defrost mode, I can’t find a thing that I don’t like this car; I will ask the service in M B to look into that glitch. In the meantime, I still somewhat miss the Tourareg V10 TDI which I brought back to VW for a trade for the problems plagued on the car. On the other hand, the ML diesel has been selling side by side with gas engines by MB for years to the oversea markets, and MB has the tendency to put high HP in ML-Class(I got an 02 ML55). A V8 diesel seems convenient and logical to be installed in the coming ML. A cute 3.5 Rav 4 is here with same out put as the ML350. If give me the choice…… maybe just the diesel would turn me away from Toyota!
#301 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [loyalowner]
Jan 11, 2006 (9:46 pm)
Mercedes has solved the problems with trying to fit 4Matic with a diesel by adopting the V convfiguration. The new 3.0L V6 CDI engine is actually a little more powerful than the current I6. The new V6 will be fitted to the 2007 E320/R320/ML320 and eventually GL320 starting this fall.
There is also a new (well revised) V8 CDI in Europe also. It is a 4.0L with 311hp. The only way I can see the U.S. getting this engine in the S-Class (S420 CDI) or possibly a GL420 CDI.
E320 CDI V6 Durability Testing - Article
New V6 CDI engine in detail - Article
New V8 CDI engine in detail - Article
#302 of 608 Re: best car sfeldman ever had ! [loyalowner]
Jan 12, 2006 (9:40 pm)
I heard that they were bringing the V6 in the '07 model, so I hustled up and bought an '06 with the tried and trusty I-6 that MB is so well known for. Personally, I don't need a lot of HP (as you so rightly pointed out, torque is where the neck-snapping feeling of power comes from with acceleration in these splendid cars!)
I would be surprised if a lot of diesel 4matics sell, butas I think more about it, I would have considered the 4matic in diesel had it been available. May be a great seller in the NE and NW US.