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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#187 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability [tomotomo]
Sep 15, 2005 (4:27 pm)
folks, good to hear about some reliable new benzes. our 1999 E320 wagon had a huge # of warranty issues and dealer visits in the first year - it was ridiculous. if you check the other E320 forums here you'll see an amazing # of horror stories. who knows, maybe i'll take the benz plunge again some year. there were so many things i loved about the E320!
best regards, folks!
#188 of 608 New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006
Sep 16, 2005 (1:15 pm)
I see on the web (germancarfans.com/manufacturers/mb) a July 2005 announcement from MB of the availability in Europe of the 2006 E320 CDI 4MATIC with an all new V6 diesel engine. Given MB's past history of introducing first in Europe and a year later in the US, is it likely that this spells the end of the in-line 6 diesel now offered here in favor of the V6 for the 2007 models?
The real question is whether this new engine will meet US environmental standards required for a tax credit under the new Energy bill signed by the President this summer.
Anyone have any thoughts?
#189 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [fldick]
Sep 18, 2005 (8:48 pm)
Yes, the current I6 diesel is history for the 2007 model year. Mercedes is certifying the new V6 using clean diesel for the 2007 model year. The only question is when, not if. Clean diesel isn't mandatory until Sept 2006, so I'd say at the earliest Nov-Dec 2006 the new V6 CDI models will arrive. These should include a ML320 and R320 CDI also.
#190 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [merc1]
Sep 19, 2005 (7:19 am)
Thanks for the inputs. The MB United Kingdom website offers further details on the "Second Generation Diesels" now on sale there. MB UK says the E320 CDI V6 with seven speed automatic transmission has fuel consumption of
City - 26.7 mpg
Extra urban - 47.1 mpg
Combined - 37.2 mpg
a top speed of 155 mph, does 0-62.5 in 6.8sec, and meets EU4 environmental standards.
Am I missing something, or are those mpg figures significantly better than those of the 2006 in-line 6 CDI now on sale in the US? Due to the new transmission and its effect on highway mileage?
Any idea whether passing EU4 means it will also pass the Energy Bill tax credit standards?
If these suppositions are correct, sounds like a good idea to wait for the 2007.
#191 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [fldick]
Sep 19, 2005 (8:03 am)
I think the MPG are a bit skewed as those are Imperial gallons. Still for a big car it is very good. EU4 standards are not as stringent as our new EPA regs due out soon. Our standards are more concerned with getting each and every particle of pollution from the exhaust. CO2 and mileage are secondary. That is where the US and the rest of the world are not in agreement.
#192 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [gagrice]
Sep 19, 2005 (2:13 pm)
Right you are - I must be losing it! Converting to US gallons gives 22.2 city, 39.3 highway and 31 combined, compared with 27/37/32 for the I6. Not enough difference to sway a decision. Wonder why the city mileage on the V6 is lower?
#193 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [fldick]
Sep 19, 2005 (8:23 pm)
Well that seven speed tranny definitely helps. I'd definitely wait for the 2007 model because the E-Class in general is also up for a facelift for 2007.
#194 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [merc1]
Sep 22, 2005 (7:40 pm)
I think you may have mentioned this 2007 facelift for the E class, but the dealerships locally have both indicated this will be in '09. Do you have a source for your comment? Are we talking significant change in appearance?
I haven't yet purchased my CDI. Have been thinking I'll do it any day because am wanting to have the in-line 6, but am open to considering the V6 if there is evidence that it will match reliability of the inline6.
#195 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [blissful]
Sep 22, 2005 (8:59 pm)
Well what they're talking about is an all-new E-Class, yes that will probably arrive in 2009 if Mercedes keep their current 7-year model run schedule. However the E is due for a "facelift" for 2007. New lights, bumpers, new features, engines etc. Nothing major, just a refreshening.
#196 of 608 Re: New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006 [merc1]
Sep 23, 2005 (11:16 pm)
Aah! That clarifies things. Where do you get your "inside scoop"? Is there info out there on which options they'll be adding? (I will miss the rear heated seats that my Audi A6 has! Keep hoping that will come along in the E-class.) Will new headlights likely be more similar to the S class? I'm sure that MBZ doesn't want this info out before the models are nearly out because it wants to keep the selling fever high for the current year, but...