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#179 of 608 Diesel's becoming extinct?
Sep 11, 2005 (6:54 pm)
Am I the only one who has seen the recent article in Car and Driver magazine by Tony Swan on the Jeep Liberty Diesel? At the end of the article Swan states that new emission regs taking effect in 2007 will eliminate all current diesel passenger cars in the US. Why would Mercedes be investing in a V-6 diesel if this car does not meet future EPA regs? I hope I am missing something as I am interested in a diesel Mercedes (preferably an S class like I recently rode in in Europe) in the next 18-24 months.
Back to the S320 in europe, I was a front seat passenger in this beauty for 3 days before I was informed it was a diesel! It really pushed you back in the seat and according to my embassy driver was very frugal. Oh, to have the ability to purchase such a car in the states. Why are we so penalized here. The worst part of going to europe is seeing all of the automobiles available over there that the "experts" won't allow us to have here.
Thanks for the info....
#180 of 608 Re: Diesel's becoming extinct? [smwls8]
Sep 12, 2005 (3:42 pm)
i saw a recent c&d editorial saying similar things and everything i've read is consistent with that. there are unresolved issues with future diesel cars in USA. EPA requires no urea-canister swaps until 120k - current tech cannot meet that requirement- but can meet a 25k urea-canister-swap interval. it's not clear if other particle-filters will make the grade either. i think the fact is that nobody knows for sure. don't count out the diesel engineers yet though. and maybe epa will relent on the 120k requirement. ok, that's gotta be a longshot!
#181 of 608 Ultra clean Diesel
Sep 13, 2005 (8:12 pm)
Part of the equation that may be missing here are new regulations that will bring cleaner diesel fuel to the pumps in, I believe, 06. One of the reasons the US struggles with emissions for diesels, and manufacturers struggle with some of their CDI technology here, is that Europe has cleaner fuel. The fuel is to be cleaned up here allowing for more diesel cars to meet NA standards rather than fewer.
#182 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability
Sep 13, 2005 (9:38 pm)
my understanding is that even with ultra-low-sulfur-diesel, all these problems remain - the newest EPA regs cannot be met by the latest technology. so i've already snagged a 2005 passat tdi, traded a 2003 jetta tdi for it. the 2005 has its bugs, but it's reliable, as was the 2003. i'd consider a Benz diesel too if Benz could only make reliable new cars. it's nice to see some new CDIs going for thousands under MSRP,- but i still can't bring myself to pay twice the cost of a volksy TDI for a car that isn't half as reliable. i owned a 1999 E320 4matic wagon for 4 years - the features were great but it was the least reliable new car i've ever owned - out of more than 15 new cars - including 5 Z28s. if Benz ever learns how to make reliable cars i will consider buying another one, even at twice the cost of a VW.
#183 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability [elias]
Sep 14, 2005 (9:32 pm)
I have thought about the E320 CDI after I sell my 2005 Passat TDI. Maybe I should rethink this. I like the Passat. I just bought it to drive for a while and sell in CA after the 7500 miles are on it. I am having a difficult time finding another so my price keeps going up. It must be hard for people that have had MB forever to experience a lot of reliability issues. Kind of sad with that grand heritage.
#184 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability [gagrice]
Sep 15, 2005 (6:37 am)
I purchased a 2005 E320 CDI in July 2004 and now have a little over 10K miles on it. So far I have no problems with it. My wife has a 2002 C320 with about 15K trouble free miles. Previously I owned a 2001 E320 and it had about 45K miles on it when I traded. I only had a very minor temperature display problem right after I purchased it. I also had a 1995 C280 that I drove for about 50K miles with only a fuel pump replacement at about 42K miles.
#185 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability [tomotomo]
Sep 15, 2005 (7:31 am)
have you kept track of your mileage on the E320 CDI? I do like that car. We want to do the Germany delivery if we buy one. I would go for the "R" if it was offered with the CDI. My wife does not like the looks of any of the new SUVs on the market.
#186 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability [gagrice]
Sep 15, 2005 (8:08 am)
Message for gagrice: Yes I have kept records of all fuel used. My usage/mileage is as follows: Overall 27.932 mpg calculated (total miles/total fuel)with 9856 total miles, 352.86 gal, mostly Houston, Tx driving.
Highest, 35.5 mpg calculated (33.3 mpg per onboard computer), 552 miles mostly highway between Houston & Dallas, Tx.
Lowest, 18.75 mpg (18.7 mpg per computer), Houston.Tx driving. Please note that I am not the best driver for good mpg as I tend to be fast start and fast stop! However, on the highway I try to stay close to the speed limit (mostly 70 mph) by using the cruise control.
#187 of 608 Re: Ultra clean Diesel / Benz unreliability [tomotomo]
Sep 15, 2005 (5:27 pm)
folks, good to hear about some reliable new benzes. our 1999 E320 wagon had a huge # of warranty issues and dealer visits in the first year - it was ridiculous. if you check the other E320 forums here you'll see an amazing # of horror stories. who knows, maybe i'll take the benz plunge again some year. there were so many things i loved about the E320!
best regards, folks!
#188 of 608 New E320 CDI engine introduced in Europe for 2006
Sep 16, 2005 (2:15 pm)
I see on the web (germancarfans.com/manufacturers/mb) a July 2005 announcement from MB of the availability in Europe of the 2006 E320 CDI 4MATIC with an all new V6 diesel engine. Given MB's past history of introducing first in Europe and a year later in the US, is it likely that this spells the end of the in-line 6 diesel now offered here in favor of the V6 for the 2007 models?
The real question is whether this new engine will meet US environmental standards required for a tax credit under the new Energy bill signed by the President this summer.
Anyone have any thoughts?