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#469 of 498 TL and Legacy Test Drive
Jan 15, 2006 (9:54 am)
Took a spin in both the TL and the Legacy yesterday, and these are completely different cars in terms of overall experience. I had my list narrowed down to both the TL and the Legacy, but was a little concerned about the FWD on the TL. I shouldn't have been.
My impressions on the TL: Very smooth ride, good materials, sound system was above average. Quick vehicle, though it tried to hide that fact through the soft suspension which gave it a floating feel on the road. I set mt drivers seat to a good driving position, and sat behind it to get a sense of room. I'm 6 foot, and had plenty of space, and felt very comfortable. Highway driving was brisk and pleasant, but the stiffness of the pedals annoyed me in town. I took it to an empty parking lot to try some of its driving dynamics. I was able to spin the front tires with hard acceleration, and felt a tiny bit of torque steer, but nothing serious, and nothing that would be noticeable under normal driving conditions. The pedals felt a bit stiff, and gave me the sensation of a momentary bit of lag before the car rocketed from a standing position.
Impressions of the Legacy GT: In a word, FUN! Not as smooth as the TL, bumps on the road were more noticeable. Not as quiet as the TL, outside noises were audible, but not too intrusive. This car is a rocket on wheels, 65 MPH, and 90 MPH feel the same, and completely under control. More sporty feeling to the car, acceleration was instantaneous even though it is a turbo 4. Had that push you into the back of the seat feeling on take-off. This car felt more like a performance enthusiasts vehicle. Not as refined or smooth on the road, but definitely a rocket on wheels. I tried the same test with adjusting the front seat to a driving position and sat in the back seat on the drivers side. Definitely less room than the TL, but much better the the G35x I tried earlier that day. So a compromise would definitely be made in terms of space.
Conclusion: I like the refinement and space of the TL, but that sticking pedal almost drove me nuts. I don't know if all of them are like this, or if I just got a bad test car. In some ways I wasn't sure what the TL was trying to be, a sporty car, or a luxury car. As it was, it just wasn't working for me. The legacy, while not as refined, felt sporty, and under control at all times. Maybe this has something to do with the AWD? I prefer the connected to the road feeling that I received from the Legacy, and the raw power under the hood that just begged for more the harder I pushed it. For me, the Legacy was the right mix of power, and just enough luxury to win me over.
#470 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [dsmcarfan]
Jan 15, 2006 (10:11 am)
The TL is really a class above the Legacy GT. The L-GT is really much more a TSX competitor. They even share the exact same wheelbase (105.1").
#471 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [rsholland]
Jan 15, 2006 (10:22 am)
I heard that the TSX was kind of a dog in terms of performance, so I skipped that one since the engine numbers on the TL were closer to the L-GT. You are right though, the TL and L-GT really are not playing the same game, and are probably not going after the same audience. I'm not really sure what else fits into the same class as the GT.
I've also considered looking at a BMW 3 series, but I'm not sure the nameplate is worth the extra costs. I just don't care about car status, and I'm not willing to pay extra for it.
#472 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [dsmcarfan]
Jan 15, 2006 (9:31 pm)
The stiff pedal is actually by design. I noticed it when I went from a CL-S to the TL. Supposedly Acura was after a more "German" feel. You get used to it though. Now, it feels perfect.
#473 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [bodble2]
Jan 16, 2006 (1:02 pm)
It's funny you say that about the pedal. I took the plunge and test drove a BMW 325i and 330i today. I didn't notice the pedal beeing as stiff as it was on that TL.
I know this isn't a BMW comparison board, but I have to say that I've always thought that all the talk about BMW was just hype. I found out today that it is not. The 325i had a good feel to it, but the Legacy GT would blow its doors off. (Yes, I'm a bit of a speed junky.) Then I got behind the wheel of the 330i, and now I have a problem. The feel of the car was almost a perfect blend of luxury and performance. Now I have to decide if it is approx. $10k better than the GT.
#474 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [dsmcarfan]
Jan 16, 2006 (1:38 pm)
"I didn't notice the pedal beeing as stiff as it was on that TL."
Hmm...maybe the Japanese have out-Germaned the Germans.
#475 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [dsmcarfan]
Jan 18, 2006 (1:57 pm)
When I have enough money I will buy myself BMW 330 or M3.
For now Legacy GT must suffice.
#476 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [dsmcarfan]
Jan 19, 2006 (12:50 pm)
I'd add the MazdaSpeed6 to your shopping list, though it didn't do well in a C&D comparo (the TSX beat it in the group ratings) and in a Motor Trend comparo (the Legacy GT beat it head-to-head).
Still, try one out and form your own opinion.
C&D's group was odd to me, they put an Accord and a G6 in the group?
#477 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [krzyss]
Jan 23, 2006 (3:55 pm)
Part of the dilemma is that fact that you could literally go to Europe 3 times for the price difference between the two.
Gotta weigh the opportunity costs...what items/experiences do I value more than a car, and vice versa.
#478 of 498 Re: TL and Legacy Test Drive [dsmcarfan]
Jan 23, 2006 (10:22 pm)
Not only is the out the door price going to be way different but the "out the door again" and again and again price of the service shop visits will be significantly more for the BMW vs. the LGT or the TL.
I thought it was worth noting that in the recent MT comparo of the BMW 330I ($42.3K), the Lexus IS 350 ($45.5K) and the Mercedes C350 Sport ($40,795)only the IS 350 was quicker 0-60 than the Spec B they tested in the same issue. The Spec B was in a seperate article(compared against the Mazada Speed 6). Now the Bimmer did beat up on the Spec B in the slalom 67.5 mph vs. 66.5 but in their figure 8 the Subie put up 26.4 sec .66 g ave. versus the Bimmer's 26.5 sec .68 g ave.
I understand the feel may well be different in these cars but I think you could hang with any of these cars in an Spec B or LGT and not be "way" out of place. Also worth noting (since the fuel prices seem to be headed up again) MT observed 20.8 mpg in the Spec B compared to 19 in the BMW, 18 in the Lexus, 16 in the Benz and 19.8 in the Mazdaspeed 6.