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Legacy GT Limited vs. Acura TSX and TL

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What is this discussion about? Subaru Legacy, Acura TSX, Acura TL, Sedan

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#127 of 498 by ateixeira

Aug 11, 2004 (11:18 am)

The 2005 Legacy is leaps and bounds ahead of any Subaru that preceeded it. Material quality is a lot better than previous generation Legacys, which themselves are a step up from that Impreza.
 
In fact, this is why it's now relevant to compare a 2005 Legacy to an Acura. We have a 2002 Legacy and I would not put it in the same class as the new ones.
 
As with any version 1.0, it's safer to wait and see, but that's also true with new models from Honda/Acura.
 
-juice

#128 of 498 Re: ryanl1 [bodble2] by ryanl1

Aug 13, 2004 (12:49 am)

Replying to: bodble2 (Aug 10, 2004 6:50 pm)
So far I've stayed with the factory alarm system.Remember I was the one who was adamant at having an audible alarm and every single car I've owned I put in hood/trunk/glass/impact protection.I've kind of taken a wait and see attitude this time considering all the deaf ears/noise complaints/false triggers.Not sure if there is a dealer option for anything other than perimeter alarm but even if there was I probably wouldn't go thru the dealer anyways.
Is the TL's alarm system better? Is the stereo on your TL a lot better ?(I didn't consider DVD important) I didn't get a chance to listen to it.
The GT's stereo is adequate but nothing to shout about.

#129 of 498 Re: Subaru Quality [jjabbytaylor] by c_hunter

Aug 13, 2004 (11:35 am)

Replying to: jjabbytaylor (Aug 11, 2004 11:11 am)
FYI: clutch judder issues were fixed in the 03 model year. I believe it was a common problem affecting multiple Japanese care manufacturers who used the same clutch material from a common supplier.
 
Craig

#130 of 498 by ateixeira

Aug 13, 2004 (11:42 am)

We losts some posts here, so I'll recap.
 
Subaru had some clutch and even tranny claims for 2002 model WRXs, most from abuse.
 
They got smart and employed a force-limiting valve on the 2003s, and warranty claims plummeted to virtually zero. I think that pretty much proves it was mis-use, and not a tranny/clutch problem per se.
 
Besides, Acura has had far more tranny issues than Subaru, and that's well publicized.
 
Any how, the Legacy GT has a new dual mass flywheel and the clutch feels a lot smoother than any other Subie I've sampled. Whether it's reliable or not we won't know for a while because it's unlike any other Subaru.
 
-juice

#131 of 498 Re: ryanl1 [ryanl1] by bodble2

Aug 13, 2004 (3:57 pm)

Replying to: ryanl1 (Aug 13, 2004 12:49 am)
The TL's alarm is pretty basic, IMO, just like all other Honda factory alarms. It does offer doors, trunk and hood protection, and auto-relock & re-arm, which is good. And of course, an immobilizer is standard. It's funny that Subaru does NOT include an immobilizer in the 4 cyl Legacy models.
 
As for the stereo system, I'm no audiophile but it certainly sounds better than the one in my old CL-S. To my ears, it's about the same as the Bose system in my old '95 Maxima, but I have yet to try DVD-A discs.

#132 of 498 Re: ryanl1 [bodble2] by ryanl1

Aug 13, 2004 (9:52 pm)

Replying to: bodble2 (Aug 13, 2004 3:57 pm)
Yes a glaring omission in 2.5i with no immobilizer just like accord with no curtain side air bags.

#133 of 498 Actuall - jjabbytaylor by kevin111

Aug 13, 2004 (11:46 pm)

My WRX had those problems too. The TSB has taken care of the clutch judder, and after getting the car serviced durring warrenty, the car has been almost rattle free since the warrenty has expired 15K miles ago.

#134 of 498 POOR HONDA BRAKING #'S by deanie

Aug 14, 2004 (10:09 pm)

WITH 150K ON MY 96 MAXIMA SE, I'VE ENTERTAINED THE IDEA OF A NEW CAR. THE NEWEST MAXIMA, G35 SEDAN, ACURA TL, ACCORD V6, AND NEW LEGACY GT ARE ALL ON MY LIST AND I'VE DRIVEN THEM ALL. THE NEW MAX IS FUGLY, POOR-HANDLING, AND HAS AN UNKNOWN RELIABILITY FUTURE AS THIS IS THE FIRST MAX TO BE BUILT HERE INSTEAD OF JAPAN. THE G35 IS GREAT BUT A LITTLE SMALL ON THE INSIDE (2004 MODEL) FOR MY WIFE AND TWO KIDS - IS THE 2005 MODEL LARGER? THE TL AND ACCORD, BOTH GREAT CARS IN MANY RESPECTS THAT HAVE BEEN WELL-DOCUMENTED ON THESE FORUMS, HAVE ONE SERIOUSLY GLARING AND UNADDRESSED FAULT - POOR BRAKING. CHECK ALL THE MAJOR COMPAROS DONE IN ANY CAR MAG, AND THE ACCORD/TL LAG BEHIND THEIR COMPETITION. IS IT UNDERSPECED BRAKES? LAME-O TIRES? SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY. IT SEEMES THAT BRAKING FROM 60, 70 OR 80 TO ZERO IN AN ACCORD OR TL YIELDS BRAKE DISTANCES ONE TO THREE CAR LENGTHS LONGER THAN MOST COMPETITORS, AND THAT'S A SERIOUS RISK FOR ANY DRIVER. BESIDES, IF IT'S LAME-O TIRES TO BLAME, YOU GOTTA TACK FOUR NEW TIRES TO THE TL/ACCORD PRICE TO MAKE THEM "NORMAL". NOW THE LEGACY. LIKE THE G35, IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT ON THE INSIDE, AND GETS SAD HWY MPG THAT IS MORE THAN COMPENSATED FOR BY THE ALL WHELL DRIVE AND WHAT WILL LIKELY BE THE BEST CRASH RATING POSSIBLE. IT'S ALSO A NOTCH BELOW IN RELIABILITY THAN G35/TL/ACCORD. SO WHAT DID I CHOOSE? WELL, I FOUND ALL THE ABOVE GENERALLY GREAT CHOICES, BUT ONE FACT STANDS TRUE - THERE IS NOTHING MORE SATISFYING AND FINANCIALLY REWARDING THAN A CAR THAT IS PAID FOR AND RUNS LIKE NEW, AS MY MAXIMA DOES, SO BY WAITING A YEAR OR TWO MORE TO LET ALL THE ABOVE MODELS IMPROVE, AND LET THE SUBIE REVEAL IT'S RELIABILITY STRENGTH OR WEAKNESS, I'LL PUT AWAY ANOTHER $5-10K FOR THAT EVEN BETTER ITERATION OF WHATEVER I CHOOSE TO BUY. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO REPLY, AS I AM STILL VERY MUCH A CAR GUY DESPITE WHAT MY RATIONALE IMPLIES.

#136 of 498 Re: POOR HONDA BRAKING #'S [deanie] by rsholland

Aug 15, 2004 (6:27 am)

It would be a whole lot easier for us to respond if you didn't post in ALL CAPS.
 
It would also be helpful if you broke your thoughts into paragraphs.
 
All caps and no paragraphs is very hard to read. Also all caps suggests shouting (even if that wasn't your intention).
 
Bob

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