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#480 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [larsb] by falconone

Dec 14, 2005 (3:01 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 2:52 pm)
I happen to agree with you, but let's face it. The majority of drivers today drive faster than say 10-15 years ago. I drive on a 55mph speed limit expressway everyday. The average speed is 75!!! If you drive in the right lane because you want to drive slow, then you end up getting caught in merge mania. I hate the center lane, so I am almost forced into driving in the left lane. I'll be honest... I drive 75-80 along with everyone else i.e. flow. Believe me,,, I would not mind at all if that flow slowed to 60-65. Unless enforcement gets stricter, people will continue to waste fuel. You have EVERY right to go whatever speed you want, as long as you are not impeding others. I am sure you're an excellent driver.

#481 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [falcon by larsb

Dec 14, 2005 (3:13 pm)

Replying to: falconone (Dec 14, 2005 3:01 pm)
quote falcon-"You have EVERY right to go whatever speed you want, as long as you are not impeding others"-end quote
 
That begs this question:
 
What is the definition of "impeding others?"
 
Driving the speed limit or slightly below on a two or three lane "city street" road, regardless of the lane, should not be considered "impeding others."
 
Driving EXACTLY the speed limit on a one lane "city street" road should not be considered "impeding others" but a lot of people (mostly habitual speeders) seem to think it IS impeding.
 
Driving the speed limit or slightly below on a three or four lane HIGHWAY road or FREEWAY, in the right lane, should NEVER be considered impeding anyone. There are other lanes, if you want to go faster, get thee into them.
 
Oh, and here is my FAVORITE Pet Peeve: People who think the HOV lane is the "super fast" lane. If I want to drive 0-5 MPH at or above the speed limit in the HOV lane, I should be able to. But talk about making people mad - WHEW !! People who use the HOV lane for the SUPER FAST lane should be arrested on the spot. They are idiots.

#482 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [falcon by falconone

Dec 14, 2005 (4:53 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 3:13 pm)
My definition of impeding may not be what others believe. IMO, impeding is going slower than the speed limit and/or not consistent with the current flow of traffic. Hypermilers make up a fraction of 1% of all drivers. I think the bigger problem are the seniors that are retired that HAVE to drive during rush hour. There ought to be a law that requires anyone over 60 to take their driver's test again.

#483 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [falcon [larsb] by gagrice

Dec 14, 2005 (7:22 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 3:13 pm)
What is the definition of "impeding others?"
 
My definition of impeding traffic is someone that others change lanes to get around and then move in front of the slower driver. I happen to be in your city at this moment. I just drove my new motor home down from Colorado Springs. I was on Interstate 10 impeding traffic this morning. I was trying to keep my speed under 70 MPH. I was passed by more trucks than you can imagine. They would go around me and pull back into the lane in front of me. I cannot imagine getting on one of your freeways and driving under 65 MPH. You would get run off the road for sure.
 
I also see why you are pushing so hard for clean vehicles. I could see the brown haze this morning 30 miles out of Tucson all the way to Phoenix. You air pollution is as bad as the worst Southern CA has to offer.
 
PS
Diesel was less than Premium at a station along Interstate 10 just before Chandler where I turned off the highway. It was $2.359 and regular was $2.229. Your regular is higher than Colorado $2.099, they were charging $2.799 at the same station for diesel. Good thing my vehicle has a 500 mile plus range.

#484 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [xcel] by warner

Dec 14, 2005 (7:24 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Dec 14, 2005 2:49 pm)
Hi Warner:
  
      You and I both drive in the Chicago area and you are spending a nickel more to save an hour of drive time let alone receive just 35 in an 06 Civic? Not only are your assumptions so far off as to be laughable, your FE is pathetic at best. Thank goodness my PZEV Accord is much more comfortable and I receive much higher FE while driving between 0 and 70 mph on our tollways day in and day out … Even amongst the massive traffic jams at the toll plaza’s we enjoyed all spring, summer, and fall. Must have been all those hypermilers in your way, at the Touhy toll’s daily 5 - 10 mile back up right?
  
      Good Luck
  
      Wayne R. Gerdes
 
Wayne, I'm happy that you are concerned about the mileage I've been getting (the 35mpg was on my 2004 Civic that I just traded in, by the way). However, I am more than pleased with 35mpg average so don't lose any sleep over my mileage. I have gotten as high as 40mpg on a tank before, but found it wasn't worth it TO ME to adjust my driving style in order to get that extra mileage. Now I'm sure you're going to tell me that if I adjusted it even more, I'd be able to get 60mpg. The truth is, I don't care. I don't care to drive that way, and I won't drive that way. If you want to, that's FINE....no problem. That's your choice, just as it is mine to drive the way that I want to drive and just the way it is for my doctor friend who drives a Hennessey Viper and gets less than 10mpg. We're all doing what we want to do. If you choose to granny drive in the right lane and stay out of the way of those of us who don't care to drive that way, I have no problem with that. Not everyone wants to drive like a "hyper-miler". Get over it.
 
                    Warner

#485 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [larsb] by warner

Dec 14, 2005 (7:32 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 2:52 pm)
If all of those people slowed down enough to save a nickel's worth of fuel every day, that's $7.5 million saved every day. $225 million saved per month. $2.7 BILLION saved per year.
 
That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that it would save me $18.25 a year. So, for the cost of a decent pizza each year, I'll drive the way that I feel comfortable, thanks.
 
                  Warner

#486 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [larsb] by gagrice

Dec 14, 2005 (7:53 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 2:52 pm)
If all of those people slowed down enough to save a nickel's worth of fuel every day, that's $7.5 million saved every day. $225 million saved per month. $2.7 BILLION saved per year.
 
If all the people drove ONE mile less each day it would save more than a Nickel. I don't think most Americans are interested in either option or any other money saving plan. We are consumers to the max. What was our trade deficit just announced? $68,000,000,000 I believe. No small part of that was new cars every from overseas. Plus all the parts for those cars. Somehow your nickel a day falls a bit short.

#487 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [warner] by xcel

Dec 14, 2005 (9:03 pm)

Replying to: warner (Dec 14, 2005 7:24 pm)
Hi Warner:
 
      I receive quite a bit more then 35 mpg in an Accord so you don’t have to be concerned with this maximum comfort driver vs. whatever you are driving and the way you were driving it … And about that granny sitting in the right lane while we are all crawling along at 2 mph for an hour. That’s right, the granny in the 92 Chevrolet Cavalier is traveling as fast or faster then your friend in the Viper and in whatever you are in at this time? I guess he bought it to look good because he certainly isn’t driving to fast in the Chicago area as of late … How about you? Are you pretending to do 75 in that bumper to bumper crawl we call the Hillside strangler or the Touhy Toll as of late? Funny how that grandma is kicking your $$ to her destination! Pre-Open Road Tolling of course
 
      Good Luck
 
      Wayne R. Gerdes

#488 of 519 Re: My driving style is now more sensible, more economically sound. [xcel] by warner

Dec 14, 2005 (9:47 pm)

Replying to: xcel (Dec 14, 2005 9:03 pm)
I don't travel the same way you do, Wayne. I take I90 from Elgin to Arlington Heights and back....most of the time I can do 80mph at least a good portion of the way. My friend who owns the Viper lives in McHenry and drives a few miles back and forth to two different hospitals where he's an ER doctor, so I don't think he is suffering in the same traffic that you are, either.
 
                Warner

#489 of 519 Re: A/C on or off [warner] by misterme

Dec 15, 2005 (4:04 pm)

Replying to: warner (Dec 14, 2005 10:59 am)
warner wrote:
"I say to the hyper-milers, "Go get your record mileage on the weekend when the roads are not congested, but please don't make my commute miserable so you can save a nickel each day on gas." I am a fairly aggressive driver though....so maybe I have my own issues, too"
 
It always amazes me how people don't realize just how much driving style drains the wallet. Take me for example.
Before my present car I was always aggressive, in fact my last car was a Dodge 4cyl that did around 15-17MPG. How foolish I was to rationalize my driving by thinking that I get there sooner so it all evens out. A car just gets what it gets with little driver influence...right?
Our Grand Caravan had worse mileage.
 
I drive almost 100 miles/day and HAD to find a solution so I bought one of the most fuel efficient autos they make...and learned a good lesson in economics as well.
 
I can drive fairly aggressively in my HCH and expect 30's MPG, or drive with the flow and get low 50's or stretch it out and get almost 70MPG (Average per tank)
That's almost 40MPG difference
 
Regarding conventional autos, I can drive the GC fairly aggressively and get 14MPG, drive with the flow and get 19-21MPG or drive more carefully and get up to 28.
Almost 14MPG difference.
 
This is saving more than a nickel each day, in fact it played a major part in paying off the hybrid premium within the first year.
 
Driving for efficiency has nothing to do with the proverbial grandma driver.
Anyone can drive slowly, creating a bottleneck and making drivers angry...just as easily as an aggressive driver creates dangerous situations by mashing the gas, swerving around other speeders and tailgating.
Driving for efficiency is a skill that can be learned.
I did low 50's for the first few months of HCH ownership and as my skills developed reached 60's and eventually higher.
 
Lately my MPG is low 60's and over the two years never once made a driver angry for slow driving.
 
I'm keeping a ton of cash in my pocket, the drive is vastly more pleasant & predictable. I'm no longer a real liability and finincial threat to our family (and others) for agressive driving...I'm enjoying this car far more than any previous auto.
 
I don't think anyone who's in the habit of agression could understand what I just wrote with that kind of mindset...I know I couldn't at the time either.
 
My hypermiling does cost more time though....about the same as a typical TV commercial break over a 50 mile trip.
up to 40MPG difference in one vehicle and 14 in another....not a bad trade-off I'd say.

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