Hybrid Gas Mileage Good? Bad? As Expected?

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#463 of 519 Re: Inname comparision [tahoey] by falconone Dec 13, 2005 (12:07 pm)
Replying to: tahoey (Dec 13, 2005 11:53 am) The Suburban gets better mileage than a Corolla. Especially when half its life is on the mechanic's lift. Oh... the Toyota can use E85 fuel.
#464 of 519 Re: Inname comparision [tahoey] by rorr Dec 13, 2005 (12:27 pm)
Replying to: tahoey (Dec 13, 2005 11:53 am) What's really inname is a claim the Suburban is 5x the vehicle of the Toyota. That's really dunb. And ingorunt. BTW - the extra mass actually works AGAINST the driver/passengers of a Suburban when hitting an immobile object like a tree or bridge abutment. The body/frame of the vehicle must absorb much more kinetic energy (since the vehicle has more mass) and inevitably, some of this extra energy is transferred to the occupants. The extra mass is only a benefit in car/car collisions. Not to mention the fact that the Toyota Speck is much more nimble and better stopping so is more likely to avoid the accident (or reduce the impact velocities) compared to the Suburban. Not to mention the much lower risk of rollover for the Speck compared to the Suburban. And I'm just curious - I can't seem to find out any specs on the Speck ( ) on either Toyota's web-site or here at Edmunds. Is that a new model? Replies to this message: falconone (Dec 13, 2005 12:42 pm) rorr (Dec 13, 2005 1:07 pm) falconone (Dec 13, 2005 1:36 pm)
#465 of 519 Re: Inname comparision [rorr] by falconone Dec 13, 2005 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: rorr (Dec 13, 2005 12:27 pm) Haven't you heard?? It's a new model only available in certain parts of the US. Quite a vehicle!!! Replies to this message: rorr (Dec 13, 2005 1:07 pm) falconone (Dec 13, 2005 1:36 pm)
#466 of 519 Re: Inname comparision [falconone] by rorr Dec 13, 2005 (1:07 pm)
Replying to: falconone (Dec 13, 2005 12:42 pm) "It's a new model only available in certain parts of the US. Quite a vehicle!!!" I'll bet. Since the Suburban is 5x the Speck, I'm guessing the Speck is about 4' long, 2' wide, 18" tall, seats two and weighs less than 1000 lbs. Quite a vehicle alright! Replies to this message: falconone (Dec 13, 2005 1:36 pm)
#467 of 519 Re: Inname comparision [rorr] by falconone Dec 13, 2005 (1:36 pm)
Replying to: rorr (Dec 13, 2005 1:07 pm) Absolutely!!! I also understand that there will be a $4,000 tax credit for all 2006 Specks, so I have my order in!!
#468 of 519 Re: A/C on or off [fndlyfmrflyr] by warner Dec 14, 2005 (9:59 am)
Replying to: fndlyfmrflyr (Dec 11, 2005 3:26 am) THANK YOU! I'm happy to hear that someone didn't radically change their driving style to squeeze a few extra mpg out of their car. It's fine for people to play those MPG games, as long as they're not making everyone else's drive miserable by being in the way. I say to the hyper-milers, "Go get your record mileage on the weekend when the roads are not congested, but please don't make my commute miserable so you can save a nickel each day on gas." I am a fairly aggressive driver though....so maybe I have my own issues, too. But I promise that I won't get in anyone's way or slow them down if they want to go faster than me in the left lane. (I'm not a closet cop...I'll let them slow people down who are going too fast). Okay...I'm done venting....back to EPA stuff Replies to this message: misterme (Dec 15, 2005 3:04 pm)
#469 of 519 HMM, let's see - 250 million cars, saving 5 cents a day... by larsb Dec 14, 2005 (10:12 am)
quote warner-"but please don't make my commute miserable so you can save a nickel each day on gas."-end quote I do feel sorry for you if passing a slow car can "make your commute miserable." We ALL need to slow down. It's to the point of ridiculous to race up to the next red light - STOP, then RACE to the next red light - STOP, repeat all day. That's SO WASTEFUL and people do it completely by habit and don't even know any better. If we all slowed down and saved a nickel on gas a day, that $12,500,000 saved every day. Sounds good to me.... Replies to this message: warner (Dec 14, 2005 10:25 am)
#470 of 519 Re: HMM, let's see - 250 million cars, saving 5 cents a day... [larsb] by warner Dec 14, 2005 (10:25 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 10:12 am) quote warner-"but please don't make my commute miserable so you can save a nickel each day on gas."-end quote I do feel sorry for you if passing a slow car can "make your commute miserable." Assuming I have the OPTION to pass a slow car, I'm not miserable and couldn't care less how slow someone else wants to go. I thought I made that part clear. We ALL need to slow down. It's to the point of ridiculous to race up to the next red light - STOP, then RACE to the next red light - STOP, repeat all day. That's SO WASTEFUL and people do it completely by habit and don't even know any better. Umm....I'm not sure about this but I don't think we ALL need to do anything that one specific group decides that we need to do. I'm not sure where you live, but where I live we are not under communist rule, and that's part of the deal...we can make choices. I don't ask that Hyper-milers drive faster just because I like to, I just ask that they not prevent me from driving the way that I like to. I will afford them the same respect. One person's rights end where another's begins. I drive a 2006 Civic and I'm not some crazy maniac (I just traded my 2004 in on on 2006 and averaged 35mpg over the 41,000 miles that I put on the '04), but I do like to move things along. I'm in the Chicago area and my family and I are always fairly busy. I'm willing to pay that extra nickel a day to save myself a half hour of driving. If someone else is not willing to do that, I'm FINE with that as long as they don't prevent me from doing that. I'm all for peace here, my friend. Warner
#471 of 519 Regardless of politics..... by larsb Dec 14, 2005 (10:36 am)
Keeping politics and communism out of it, what I said was that "WE ALL SHOULD DO THAT FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL" and that will not be any different regardless of what type of government is running things. If you are one of the people driving too fast, you DO need to slow down, for the sake of all of us. Driving like that causes overconsumption (driving up gas prices) and causes more wrecks (rear ends) which drives up car insurance rates, and accidents cause more hospital trips (which raises medical insurance rates). Nothing good comes from driving too fast, but a LOT of good can come from hypermiling. It's called "personal sacrifice for the good of all." Heard of it? No, really, I don't want to come across as too harsh, but all you have to do is sit and think about it a while. Sure, our country is based on independent thought and no one being able to tell anyone else how to live, but there should be common sense limits to that. Drive how you want, but don't criticize hypermilers for doing something that is good for ALL of us. Replies to this message: warner (Dec 14, 2005 11:55 am)
#472 of 519 Re: Regardless of politics..... [larsb] by warner Dec 14, 2005 (11:55 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 14, 2005 10:36 am) I'm already driving a ULEV. I seriously doubt that my driving habits in this vehicle are affecting overconsumption any more than a hyper milers habits are affecting it. As far as wrecks, I have not had any wrecks since I was a teenager, so I must be doing okay in that respect. You are making assumptions when you accuse me of "driving too fast" as well, don't you think? How far does one need to go to be doing "what's good for all of us"? Why stop with hyper-miling? Why not just walk, ride a bicycle, carpool, or use public transportation? Maybe these hyper-milers really aren't doing enough for the good of us all? My point is that there is a limit to what people can be expected to do. If I drove my civic with the pedal to the floor each time I went somewhere (which I obviously don't), I could NEVER match the same emissions as someone driving a huge gas-guzzling SUV while employing the Hyper-mileage techniques. My point is that it's fine for Hyper-milers to practice their hobby (which is really what it is, if you get right down to it) as long as it doesn't interfere with others around them....just as I can drive the way that I want to as long as it doesn't interfere with those around me, right? I'm hopeful that we can find some common ground here. I don't think that what I'm talking about is unreasonable. Warner