Hybrid Gas Mileage Good? Bad? As Expected?

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#31 of 519 Re: Other magazines [misterme] by djasonw Jul 07, 2004 (2:28 pm)
Let's see... to start with.. the HCH is just plain boring. How's that for starters. It doesn't have: Hatchback Smart/Entry Stealth Mode (I can travel 42 MPG on electric.. can you?) Built in NAV Way better rear seating Vehicle Stability Control Nifty buttons on the steering wheel for climate contol, radio etc Great styling (can't argue with the Prius's success!) Electric A/C (what does yours have?) Bluetooth (WAY cool feature) ..and that marvelous feature of the "START" button... a wonderful often missed safety feature of the Prius (NO KEY TO JAB YOU in an accident) Shall I go on... or is it hurting too much? I go by the major mags and consumer reports and ALL of them got better mileage with the Prius. You know something? Even if the HCH DID get better mileage than a Prius.. I'd STILL get the Prius!
#32 of 519 NO Honda Hybrids Here, PLEASE!!! by terryh2u Jul 07, 2004 (2:37 pm)
It seems xcel doesn't seem to understand that this is a board for PRIUS owners to discuss their PRIUS, NOT Honda hybrids!!! I suggest he go to the Honda board to expouse his Hondas' virtues. I stand by my statements made previously. See #14. Thank you... Replies to this message: djasonw (Jul 07, 2004 2:56 pm)
#33 of 519 Re: NO Honda Hybrids Here, PLEASE!!! [terryh2u #32] by djasonw Jul 07, 2004 (2:56 pm)
Replying to: terryh2u (Jul 07, 2004 2:37 pm) Actually the board you are in is generalized for hybrids. Wayne can be testy at times.. I know.
#34 of 519 Re: Other magazines [misterme] by usbseawolf2000 Jul 07, 2004 (3:01 pm)
"Yes, you get in real owner numbers 1.6MPG difference " I thought you didn't want to continue comparision between HCH and Prius. Wait, what comparison? Consumer Report compared 4 door family sedan and HCH didn't make it there because the acceleration of HCH is too slow. In that comparison, Prius gets double the mileage than other cars that were compared to. MPG is not the only thing in the equation. Every little things add up and the bigger and more powerful the hybrids get, the more difference you will see. It looks like IMA HAH tuned for power is starting to lack in the low emission department already while HSD SUVs with more power, are still going to be super ultra low emission. It would be nice if Emunds has online database of each vehicle fuel economy. BTW, HCH should be compared to the classic Prius because they both are compact sedans. In real world, I believe even classic Prius gets better mpg than HCH. Dennis Replies to this message: djasonw (Jul 07, 2004 3:25 pm)
#35 of 519 Re: Other magazines [misterme] [usbseawolf2000 #34] by djasonw Jul 07, 2004 (3:25 pm)
Replying to: usbseawolf2000 (Jul 07, 2004 3:01 pm) You can't use hyper milers as a basis for comparison. I believe the averages Consumer Reports achieved are numbers that the average owners are getting. If I count my winter mileage in, I am at 44.7 overall. Not bad considering a great many miles were interstate speeds of 75-80.
#36 of 519 by xcel Jul 07, 2004 (5:44 pm)
Hi Usbseawolf2000: A cheap personal attack. You do this when you are in the loosing side of the argument. ___Given you apparently don’t own a hybrid, have probably never driven a hybrid, and are probably afraid of losing the real world challenge I offered, I would say you have much to learn about real world hybrid efficiencies. In other words, the real world is a lot more relevant imho. You are incapable of connecting dots to get the big picture. That is the very reason you fail to see the long-term. Your car engine power and fuel economy estimates are way off as well. ___Really? Like how the Prius is the slowest of all Toyota sedans offered to us in the states from 0 - 30 and 0 - 60. You seem to bring up the 30 - 50 numbers but the only place that has been posted is Toyota’s own press release and they didn’t even post a time to accomplish the task! I already know how slow the HCH and Insight are and I have made no bones about it. The dots you are failing to connect here is how efficient an Atkinson cycle ICE is (4% increase by most accounts with a > then 4% loss in torque). Your car engine power and fuel economy estimates are way off as well. ___I post my fuel economy results on an ~ 10 day basis, how about you? As for power and efficiency, my numbers are way off? You not only missed that the HAH is supposedly capable of 38 mpg on the highway (not 32 like you thought) which does overtake the std. 240 HP ICE of the Accord V6 by a mere 26%. You also mentioned that the HAH will not be a SULEV? The 240 HP ICE of the Accord V6 is already a ULEV-II so it might yet still be SULEV rated when it arrives later on this year? I am not going to zoom low down to your personal attacking level and pull out "your wife card" on you because you can beat me with experience. Delete msg#22 or I am going to ask a moderator to do so ___You just did and no. If you believe your particular choice of automobile is so efficient, take the challenge. ___Djasonw: why don't you and I take a drive out to Illinois. We'll take my Prius and go there in "style". LOL! When we get there, we can even have Wayne ride on Prius making total of 3 ppl. How would three of us fit in his Insight to do the comparison, unless Wayne wants to ride in the trunk? ___Don’t you live in NY? With your hybrid driving skills, you probably couldn’t make it across Ohio before running out of gas. So much for your “At least with the Prius you not only get great mileage” statement when Corolla drivers are surpassing your personal best(s) …I will be more then happy to take your new Prius away from you if you are interested in the challenge of this Insighter and I will allow you the same extra 500 miles And with the Corolla, I know it fits 4 and has received better fuel economy and range then you have ever seen so far. Maybe you need to learn to drive a bit better because you are having problems in the fuel economy area by the sounds of your mileage you have discussed to date. Dennis..we'll have to make the trip in early Fall. __Your on! Title for title. I will throw in the Corolla for good measure just so you don’t feel that you lost your Prius II for something less then close to equal value … ___Terry2hu: It seems xcel doesn't seem to understand that this is a board for PRIUS owners to discuss their PRIUS, NOT Honda hybrids! ___Did you forgot to read the title of this thread? It is called “Hybrid Gas Mileage: Good? Bad? As Expected?”. ___Let us recap and bring the thread closer to its calling … So far, the following applies as reported in the Real Hybrid Mileage Database: 20 of 37 HCH drivers that have reported their actual tank over tank data are exceeding combined EPA estimates or 54%. 4 of 10 Honda Insight drivers that have reported their tank over tank data are exceeding combined EPA estimates or 40%. 1 of 6 Prius I drivers that have reported their tank over tank data are exceeding combined EPA estimates or 16%. 4 of 55 Prius II drivers that have reported their tank over tank data are exceeding combined EPA estimates or 7%. ___Given the title of the thread, who is more likely to be satisfied with their mileage, the majority that are beating EPA estimates or the majority that are not? Fortunately, there will be more Prius II drivers exceeding the EPA combined estimates in the near future but as of this writing, I can see more dissatisfied Prius drivers then HCH drivers in regards to their particular Hybrid’s fuel economy from those posting their tank over tank data to date. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes Replies to this message: usbseawolf2000 (Jul 07, 2004 6:50 pm)
#37 of 519 Re: [xcel] by usbseawolf2000 Jul 07, 2004 (6:50 pm)
Replying to: xcel (Jul 07, 2004 5:44 pm) "Given you apparently don’t own a hybrid, have probably never driven a hybrid, and are probably afraid of losing the real world challenge I offered..." Since you are the one who wanted this challenge, you will pay for the expense and for my time. Explain in detail, how you want it to be with precise rules of engagement. If you accept it, I'll seriously think about it. Dennis
#39 of 519 The Challenge Is On!! by djasonw Jul 07, 2004 (6:57 pm)
Actually Wayne.. we won't take the Prius. It will take too long to get there. We'll fly out there and meet you for the challenge. I doubt you'll show up. I wouldn't want all those Corollas passing me in the left lane! Imagine this shmuck is knocking the fact that I am getting close to 50 MPG with average speeds of 75-80 MPH with 35 PSI fr and 33 rr. Can't do that will a Corolla. Maybe with an Insight, but I do get claustrophobic, hence my aversion to that toy. Replies to this message: djasonw (Jul 07, 2004 7:27 pm)