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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#4673 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [carteach]
Jun 10, 2012 (6:47 pm)
The premium on the TDI is well worth it. The 2.5L gas engine is really not that great. And somewhat of a gas hog. What ever extra you pay will be returned when you trade or sell the car. I am surprised they even bother bringing in the gas version Sportswagen. They sell 85% as diesel. It is the one to get. Though you may not get a killer deal on one like you would the gas version.
#4674 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [carteach]
Jun 17, 2012 (12:04 am)
Anyone have the epa figures for the 2.5 vs the TDI?
I wanted TDI, but it wasnt available in'08, I'm very happy with my Jetta though, turbo 4.
However when I took car in for a recall--they found nothing was wrong--I got to drive an '09 TDI (a demo), trip computer read 50 mpg at 70 mph, this car only had 1400 miles on it!
So I think the mileage of the TDI is worth getting vs the 2.5, and it did not seem slow at all with that torque!
Drive a TDI and 2.5 and make your decision.
#4675 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [fho2008]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 17, 2012 (9:17 am)
I don't think you'll get 50 mpg averaged out though. Just about all the longterm tests I read indicate that around 42 mpg would be real-world for most people in mixed city/hwy driving.
This would be it about equal to the latest and greatest high MPG gassers, like the Mazda 3 or the Chevy Cruse Eco, but it would have an advantage in driving qualities that's for sure, and probably better resale value. On the minus side, it's going to cost more to buy.
#4676 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 17, 2012 (9:59 am)
The system has never been really serious about 50 mpg. Of the 585 models, say this year, how many really do get 50 mpg? I rest the case/case closed.
Let's put it this way: the 03 TDI is rated 42/49 mpg. I routinely have gotten 50 mpg (range of 48-52) and it continues for app the 170,000 + miles. But the real important part: who the H--- cares? The 03 Jetta sold app 9,000 units. FF to 2012 for both torquier and less mpg diesels, and they are selling the best ever (many more units) and at record profits (for VW). Go figure.
Indeed VW took the hint and increased the available torque and it dwarfs even the Camry Hybrid. It even gets 8.2% better fuel mileage. (39.6 vs 36.6, www.fuelconomy.gov) Safely and (in hind sight) WISELY decreased the mpg (conversationally) to app 40-45 mpg.
I say like the VW products, give the Chevy ECO Cruze and Mazda 3, 5 to 10 years. Both models and name plates have only recently gotten serious about performance and mpg. Both were dogs (mpg wise) before this latest effort. Mazda 3 has been in serious need of refreshment and for a longer time.
So for example, the 03 TDI had a diesel premium of MSRP $236. (if I remember correctly) The resale value is 2,532 dollars more for the TDI.
#4677 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [fho2008]
Jun 17, 2012 (10:35 am)
All I can say is what happened...50mpg at 70mph...thats why I wanted TDI. It was a test drive of a demo.
#4678 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [fho2008]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 17, 2012 (12:10 pm)
anecdotal evidence is usually the worst kind of evidence, for obvious reasons, but you're right...it's "true" for you, that one time.
but if you were plunking down $25K for something, you'd probably rely on more than what your neighbor says over the fence, right? You'd check it out.
it's better to be surprised on the + end than the - end I think.
So I believe the 42 mpg # would be "my" number if I bought a TDI and drove it in mixed city/hwy conditions.
#4679 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [fho2008]
Jun 17, 2012 (12:53 pm)
To answer your original question. I would expect the TDI to get at least 15 MPG better than the 2.5L gas. And a lot better resale value. Very few Sportswagens are sold with gas engine. Last figures I read 85% are diesel. Looks like the supply is finally catching up with demand, so a good deal should be available.
#4680 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 17, 2012 (4:52 pm)
I would say an absolute yes, and an absolute no. YES because I am not responsible for the oem to GET EPA 42/49 mpg ratings, etc and or whatever. I am responsible in driving my anecdotal example for whatever mpg I am getting. Whether YOU (anecdotally) can get EXACTLY what I get, or even EPA ratings or range of ratings can be a very high or low bar and is now totally up to YOU, not me.
I would say no because then in theory you really can't then rely on an real ratings for then you can say no one to only a few can get any rating at any time. This of course is preposterous. So your premise is really a conversational shot gun approach. In effect your underlying assumption is the EPA rating is some sort of guarantee. It never has been and never will be. But then defacto you and most folks know that.
#4681 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 17, 2012 (8:53 pm)
This year with our 2011 Sportswagen TDI we've been getting 30-32 mpg in city driving (my wife commuting to work and shopping), 35-36 mpg in mixed driving (30% highway miles is typical when I use it for work), and 42-45 mpg on 200 mile+ trips with highway speed limits varying from 55 to 70 mph and a little city driving included. (If I drive 45 mph on a flat road the computer will read well over 50 mpg.)
With our '06 Jetta TDI, we've been getting 32-33 mpg, 38-40 mpg, and 44-46 mpg in the above described conditions. (It's fuel mileage has gradually improved every year so far.)
Both are equipped with DSG. Hills, winds, loads, traffic, and road conditions all have an effect on fuel mileage in the real world.
Given these two cars' performance, safety, ride, comfort, price, standard equipment, and reslae value, I can live with the fuel mileage of each. Claims of 50 mpg+ do not impress me, because that is not how, where, or why I drive.
#4682 of 4744 Re: Long commute with stop and go traffic [cosmo]
Jun 17, 2012 (9:33 pm)
Indeed the Taylor's proved the RANGE of the TDI, can be much greater as they knocked down 84 mpg + on a 2012 Passat TDI. Now I would hate to drive like they do to get it, but I think the point is that almost anyone can come close if they want.