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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#4302 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 06, 2010 (10:25 am)
The "repair" bill is outrageous at $6,000 but on other accounts owners have reported that $10,000 has been closer to the bottom line.
Seems that the actual fuel pump damage (the culprit) sets off a chain reaction through the whole system...injectors,, fuel lines and right back to the fuel tank...everything gets replaced with new items and then...so what, it could all start happening again, and off warranty next time.
As the fuel pump starts to eat itself to death, it sends little flakes of ground up metal parts thoughout the whole diesel fuel supply and back to the engine.
The resulting damage in the fuel system is from one end of the car to the other and the result is the engine simply stalls and won't start again.
Not good news if it happens during a left turn in front of on coming traffic hence the "safety issue" that has now put the 09's VW TDI's under the spotight. And if VW claims they have no idea what is causing the problem (which I don't believe for a second)...the Jetta TDI 2010's problems won't be far behind.
The engine in my 2006 V W TDI uses a totally different fuel delivery system, and has a totally different set of engine problems....but at least one of them is not dangerous sudden unexpected stalling.
Cratered cam followers, ground up camshaft and lower cam bearings yes, but at least the engine will have given off death rattles for a while before it dies.
#4303 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [sebring95]
Sep 06, 2010 (11:29 am)
I guess I'm done shopping.
I cannot think of a vehicle sold today gas or diesel that I would buy without extended warranty for as long as I own it. Vehicles are so cluttered with useless crap that cost a fortune to repair, that it is just crazy. You may get a lot of miles out of them. It better be in a short time. I don't think they build vehicles for longevity. I wanted a smaller SUV/CUV with a 4 cylinder TDI. I am not so sure I would buy one if it was offered. I am good for several more years with two of my vehicles full covered warranty. Just drive them and let someone else learn the hard way. Buy old would be the wise move.
#4304 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [gagrice]
Sep 06, 2010 (11:36 am)
Well I don't really consider the fuel pump to be useless crap....but the fact that it can fail and cost upwards of $10,000....that's just nuts. You can replace a complete engine/transmission for half of that in any other vehicle....and it likely won't implode at 50k miles and be OUT of manufacturers warranty. I can't come up with any other non-powertrain part that should cost anywhere near that much to repair. If this was an exotic $100k vehicle I could certainly buy into the possibility...but at $25k most people would be completely unable to afford the repair.
#4305 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [sebring95]
Sep 06, 2010 (12:29 pm)
I agree on the fuel pump. There are so many electronic gadgets that are over $1000 each. The airbag light is lit on our LS400 Lexus. Flat $1200 to fix it. It has never been in an accident or had the airbag deployed. Just sending a signal that something is wrong with it. Spending $1200 on a car that is likely not worth that much is just as crazy as $10k on a car worth at least $20k. And that is my point on having extended warranty. They are gambling nothing will go wrong and I am betting something will. Our 2007 Sequoia is the first vehicle I have bought the extended warranty on. It was based on the cheap electronics Toyota uses over the last few years. The used Nissan Frontier I just bought, I got 7 more years Bumper to bumper. Just don't want to think about a $6k or $10k bill. I am sure it would be $6 grand to put a new engine in either the Toyota or Nissan.
#4306 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [roadmaster45]
Sep 06, 2010 (1:45 pm)
Roadmaster45 Check out NHTSA website. They are currently investigating the stalling issue and are asking drivers with similar problems to submit to their inquiry. I saw something about this on another post.
#4307 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [flwrpwr]
Sep 06, 2010 (2:40 pm)
Last year BMW began experiencing HPFP problems with some models and extended the warranty on their HPFP's to 10 years/120K miles. Are you watching and listening, VW/Audi?
#4308 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [zambaq]
Sep 06, 2010 (3:47 pm)
Thanks for the link. I have had a bit of stuttering, but no actual stalling. Kind of annoying more than anything, but will be reporting it shortly. Mine has the DSG transmission.
#4309 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [gagrice]
Sep 06, 2010 (4:38 pm)
I'm a gambler so I never buy the warranty. So far its never bit me. What Frontier did you get? I'm rolling in a '08 Pathfinder at the moment and beyond upgrading the suspension I'm real happy with it. Lots of power and I'm averaging 20-21mpg on my commute. Not bad for a 4x4 with 3 rows and good power. I was also waiting on a Tiquan tdi but just don't think its worth the bother anymore.
#4310 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [cosmo]
Sep 06, 2010 (4:44 pm)
That is interesting to know. It sounds like we have some bad ULSD being sold in parts of the USA. We have lots of regulations and little or no enforcement. One of my choices if I decide to go diesel is the X5. Most fun of any of the diesel SUVs I have driven. 10 years and 120k would be something worth looking into. If I ever buy a diesel, I would expect to keep it that long or longer. I have been waiting for the Tiguan to be offered with the 4 cylinder TDI. If VW does not address this problem they would not be a great choice.
#4311 of 4777 Re: 2009 TDI Stalling Issues [gagrice]
Sep 06, 2010 (4:52 pm)
To piggyback what you said about the dirty fuel, I wonder if my fuel filter needs to be changed? I'm heading in for my 60K service in two weeks (couldn't get an earlier appointment) and it is past due. The fuel filter is recommended to be changed every 20K. I'll have to pay a bit more attention as to how the car runs after the service is done.