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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#3603 of 4751 Re: 2009 or 2010 VW Jetta Sport TDI [sayitisntsew]
Nov 14, 2009 (5:33 pm)
Are you certain it is the "tiptronic" and not the "DSG" xmission?
I understand that the DSG xmission can achive nearly perfect matchup to all driving conditions. It is the only auto xmission in the world that can compare to a well-shifted manual.
In other words, the DSG is the only "automatic" I would consider with a TDI.
Why consider a TDI if not for the MPG...and why compromize a TDI with an automatic xmission?
#3604 of 4751 Re: 2009 or 2010 VW Jetta Sport TDI [sayitisntsew]
Nov 14, 2009 (5:47 pm)
I have a 6-speed manual on my 09 Jetta SportWagon and I love it.
I took a test with DSG but I liked the manual better. You get a slightly better mileage with manual. But if you have to commute in a stop and go traffic every day, then DSG would be my choice. It's a matter of personal preference.
#3605 of 4751 Re: 2009 or 2010 VW Jetta Sport TDI [jogousa]
Nov 14, 2009 (6:03 pm)
I drove both '09 DSG and 6-speed manual cars. While I see the pros/cons of both I would have to buy the manual simply because of the maintenance on the DSG. The first service is required at 40k miles (conveniently beyond the "free" maint) and it's quite expensive (I've seen quotes from $300-$500+ at dealers). I also have to wonder how long that DSG will last and what the cost to replace would be. The previous automatics were about $4,000 if you had VW do the exchange so I don't even want to think what the DSG would cost to replace/rebuild. Considering most folks that buy TDI's drive above average miles and are trying to save money on fuel....it doesn't make sense in my mind to take on considerable extra maintenance cost and potential repairs down the road.
#3606 of 4751 Re: 2009 or 2010 VW Jetta Sport TDI [sebring95]
Nov 15, 2009 (6:52 am)
I also heard (from VW) that manual transmission (pads on clutch that normally wear out after certain time) is designed for 1 million + applications therefore you may not have to change clutch pads as long as you own the car; i.e. they will last beyond all other moving components. I remember changing pads on manual clutch way back, when I lived in Europe.
#3608 of 4751 Re: 1M VW clutch applications [elias]
Nov 15, 2009 (7:59 am)
I like your jokes, elias! Austin Powers rules!
#3609 of 4751 Water in spare tire well
Nov 15, 2009 (8:39 am)
Few weeks ago I noticed some water in the spare tire well. I took the spare tire out each time and there was appx 1/2" of water there. Finally, today, when I took the spare tire out I found the leak. The inside wall of rear bumper (inside the spare tire well facing backwards), where sheet metal layers overlap, I found a stream of water coming from the end of 2 metal sheets overlap, where the putty is applied on the seam, on the assembly line. The putty wasn't applied on all overlaps and that is where the leak was. I dried the spot with hair dryer and sealed the overlapping metal sheets with "quick steel" putty. Hopefully that will cure the problem.
I urge all owners of Jetta sedans and Wagons to take out the spare tire from the well and see, if it is dry. If not, you have to locate the spot, where water leaks, and seal it. Not that many folks look there frequently, perhaps only when you need to change the flat. I would be interested if anyone out there on this Forum have had similar problem.
#3610 of 4751 Re: Water in spare tire well [jogousa]
Nov 15, 2009 (9:26 am)
From your description of your leaky Jetta, it sounds just like what Ford did for years that ruined all the F 150 and up boxes. They too had 2 sheets of metal overlaping and the open seam is right above the rear tires. This allows all the road salt, sand, and other debris to get blasted into the open joint, drain down and accumulate in between the 2 sheets of metal that is sealed at the box lip.
The only way out for that toxic mix is right through the fender just above the rear wheels.
As I was doing repairs to mine, I spotted the problem and can not believe that Ford let that go for years. All they had to do was just what you (and I) did...seal that seam! It has eventually ruined every Ford truck box in Canada, and any boxes in the U.S. in wet States and where salt is used.
My point is, try and find the seam from underneath where the water hits it and seal it outside too so no water and salt can get through between the 2 sheets, stop and start munching metal at your inner repair.
Don't get me started on the Chysler cars from the 70's where some genious convinced the Brass that they could save $5.00 on each car (that's how much it cost me to put mine in) by not putting in the plastic inner front fender liners...as I recall they went bankrup then too from all the rusted out fenders they had to replace and then got a Govt . Bailout.
Mind you, in Florida, without driving in salt spray for 5 months of the year like we do, I'm sure you will have a new Subaru TDI wagon before your Jetta rusts out.
#3611 of 4751 Re: Water in spare tire well [longo2]
Nov 15, 2009 (10:09 am)
Well the way I noticed (that something is strange) was that my windows kept fogging inside the car. Reminds me a few years back, when one of my kids did not have a diaper and on a long drive on I-5 I couldn't figure out, why my windows all of a sudden started fogging out. The kid peed on the seat (while asleep) and the moisture was the culprit.
Yes, in FL, in Spring and Summer, we have a monsoon rain at least once a day. Granted, no salt - thanks God.
But typically, these cars and metal sheet seams are designed in such a way that "when water comes in - water drains out". Rear stop/brake/backing light cluster assemblies are one of such designs.
If I would not have found the leak, I was going to open of of the pre-drilled holes on the bottom of the spare tire well (that are currently plugged by plastic/rubber plugs) and in that way "water would come in and water would drain out". There is also such thing as one-way water plugs that allow the water drain but the outside water does not leak in (Saab has several of them in the engine bay).
When I visited assembly lines in Sweden (Saab + Volvo) and BMW near Munich, I saw them, how they seal these overlapping metal sheets - It is one of the few tasks that "humans" do, most of other work on assembly lines are robotics.
In VW case, those "unhappy" assembly line workers (heard they was a strike there not long ago) obviously didn't do a good job sealing those overlapping metal sheets with the putty before the car is dipped into a paint bath.
Another problem is that those overlapping metal sheets may not be only underneath the car. VW has many draining passages throughout the body that one has to seal it inside. For example, sunroof/moon-roof drains through inside passages, windshield wiper wells have drainage inside the fenders, etc.etc. There are quite a few drainage passages inside the skeleton of the car. One can see those clearly, when you watch the electric spot welding of the body on car assembly lines.
#3612 of 4751 Re: Water in spare tire well [jogousa]
Nov 15, 2009 (10:59 am)
That is more potential rust issues than the entire VW factory peeing in each car as it rolls off the line!
I think you have just introduced some scary information that will cause new Jetta owners some extra walks to the bathroom in the middle of the night.