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#3159 of 4777 Re: This probably poses.... [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 18, 2009 (9:38 am)
Anyone who thinks the VW does not have a higher "RATE/INCIDENCE" of "issues" might be in denial. One essentially doesn't want to GET the queen in...THAT link title game.
Essentially that was the decision fog I walked through with the 2003 Jetta TDI. So I looked at the issues common to both and concluded it was a fairly decently made machine, aka, I was willing to take the risk.Or, at the very worst, able to be mitigated.
I am not sure why they have the engineering, reliability, durability problems they do with their GASSER engines !!! ??? Indeed in a bit of heresy, I would not get a current VW with a gasser engine!!?? Suffice to say while the TDI has its own peculiar issues, it has been a trooper.
In addition, I did not use a VW spec oil (after the break in factory fill 5,000 miles) & have run 25,000 OCI's since. At 119,000 miles, the thing has literally been trouble free. Fuel mileage is 48-52 in a point a to b commute. I can get 44 to 62 mpg will. This thing was made to cruise lower autobahn speeds. As you know, we do not observe autobahn speeds past 70 mph and 80 mph in TX: God Bless TX. Oil consumption has been at 1/4 to 1/2 qt (8 oz to 16 oz) per 20,000 miles.
As a side bar, the 2009 TDI has been flawless, EVEN with the DSG. Oil consumption is NIL/nada/ZIP, but we are only at 8,000 miles.
I can make a (university engineering ) joke here, but it might be lost on most folks and offensive to others.
#3161 of 4777 Re: How does this intergrate? [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 18, 2009 (2:50 pm)
I think it would help VW and hurt Porsche in the long run.
#3162 of 4777 Re: How does this intergrate? [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 18, 2009 (6:18 pm)
From what I read, I am not sure if it was/were the 2 families design/s to own VW and Porsche using the credit snafu to make a move on VW and/or Porsche and get the (lower saxony) tax payers and the Qatar invester to pony up, or they just plainover extended and got caught in a wringer. Indeed it could be... all of the above and more, but in a different real time order.
#3163 of 4777 Volkswagen to Acquire Porsche
Jul 19, 2009 (7:02 pm)
Volkswagen to Acquire Porsche
Volkswagen is planning to purchase all of sports carmaker Porsche, which has run into massive financial problems linked to its overly ambitious plan to take control of VW. The attempted takeover, which had been financed using loans, ultimately failed because of the credit crunch and ensuing liquidity problems that almost saw Porsche go bankrupt.
SPIEGEL has obtained information that Volkswagen is planning a complete takeover of beleaguered sports carmaker Porsche in a series of two transactions. The company is planning the imminent purchase of 50 percent of Porsche shares and will purchase the remaining shares in the Stuttgart, Germany-based automobile manufacturer in a second step. Once completed, Porsche will become the 10th brand in the stable of Volkswagen, the world's largest carmaker.
Porsche headquarters in Stuttgart: VW has won the power struggle between the two companies.
VW's move to acquire Porsche follows a power struggle between the companies. Porsche had sought to buy VW through complicated loan transactions that collapsed when the sports carmaker's liquidity dried up as a result of the credit crunch. It has already been reported that Wolfsburg-based VW would purchase 49.9 percent of Porsche, but SPIEGEL has learned it is now planning a complete acquisition in a second purchase of shares.
The deal envisions a payout to Porsche Automobil Holding of €8 billion ($11.3 billion), enabling it to pay off the bulk of its crippling debts. VW is also considering acquiring Porsche's Salzburg-based network of dealerships from its family owners, a move that could raise an addition €3 billion for Porsche.
Under the deal, the Porsche and Piëch families, Porsche's shareholders, would obtain 50 percent of the shares in the merged VW-Porsche company. The western German state of Lower Saxony would maintain its 20 percent holding in the company and the door would be open for the emirate of Qatar to purchase between 14.9 percent and 19.9 percent of the company's shares.
German news agency DPA reported Friday that the Porsche and Piëch families had agreed to accept the Volkswagen deal. Reuters also reported the deal was now backed by Porsche supervisory board chairman Wolfgang Porsche, who had fought to maintain Porsche's independence from VW.
SPIEGEL also reported on Friday that Porsche's current CEO, Wendelin Wiedeking, would step down and that the families had agreed to replace him with Porsche production chief Michael Macht.
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Wolfgang Porsche denied the report on Friday evening, rebuffing "speculation" that Macht would succeed Wiedeking. Wiedeking, he said, remained head of Porsche AG and Porsche Holding. Deputy chairman of the board and works council chief Uwe Hück also defended Wiedeking. "Wiedeking is chairman of the board and he will continue to be so," he said.
Nevertheless, Wiedeking appears to be preparing for his exit. DPA reported this week that he has hired prominent labor lawyer Jobst-Hubertus Bauer to help him negotiate a severance package, a development also reported by the Financial Times Deutschland newspaper.
Wiedeking has reportedly been a client of Bauer's for some time now. The labor lawyer has negotiated golden handshakes for several top managers totaling millions in recent years. It is reported that Wiedeking could be up for a deal worth more than €100 million.
dsl/spiegel -- with wire reports
#3164 of 4777 Re: Volkswagen to Acquire Porsche [donthegreek]
Jul 19, 2009 (7:54 pm)
Does not look like Toyota got to be king of the mountain for very long. Now if VW can just build on the success of the Jetta TDI with lots of diesel offerings they could be number one in the USA. Not that we are so hot right now. China is the real emerging market. We are on a down hill slide.
#3165 of 4777 Re: Volkswagen to Acquire Porsche [gagrice]
Jul 19, 2009 (8:15 pm)
Yes to VW's credit they have been and remain in the diesel market in the US. Some would say they are the market makers in the US diesel market.
But the numbers in this example would be telling.
You have a choice of selling 100 (TDI) vehicles. You have to go thru a costly and lengthy certification procedure and put on an extra 3,500 compliance system and it might take you some time to sell the 100 vehicles in the US markets.
Now in China, way faster and less costly certification procedure and not having to put the extra 3,500 in the compliance system and they are literally sold before shipment !!. What would be YOUR choice !!??
#3166 of 4777 Porsche VW
Jul 20, 2009 (11:19 am)
Cool. I'll take a 911 TDI or Cayman TDI please, manual transmission.
#3167 of 4777 Re: Porsche VW [elias]
Jul 20, 2009 (12:09 pm)
Probably a stair step would be the new VW sports TDI. It seems to look like a redesigned Audi TT. I read somewhere it is est to del 45 mpg on D2.
The 911 Carrerra S already has 385 hp and 310 #ft !! Using the same ratios as the VW Jetta TDI that would make a 911 TDI 266 hp and 448 # ft !!?? Or 45% more # ft !!!
#3168 of 4777 Who is getting close to TMV on TDI Loyal Edition?
Jul 24, 2009 (12:41 pm)
Has anybody been able to find a dealer in the MI or Chicago area that is willing to sell a Jetta TDI Loyal Edition w/ a few options at near TMV value? I have yet to find one. They are not even budging on the 2010 models coming end of August. They are willing to take your money to hold, but no promisse on the final car price. This is insane.... are these SO HOT that every deal can just be all Omnipotent ?. If that is the case, then it's not something I want - no smart buyer should bow down to being ripped off and making these greedy dealers more money. Any good leads and advice is greatly appreciated. Willing to travel a bit to find the deal - even will go to same sales person and recommend you as well.
Thanks a mil.