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Re: new car purchase [jim1977] by goldgary1
Jul 01, 2009 (4:40 am)
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Replying to: jim1977 (Jun 30, 2009 9:07 am)

Re: TDI chain for 2010. I heard it from service mgr. at dealership, then I also found it stated on the net somewhere that it as to have a chain. I don't remember where. Thats all I know. Take it for what its worth.
 
Gary
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2009 TDI engine? by ruking1
Jul 01, 2009 (6:59 am)
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2.0 TDI CR 103-147kW
Configuration
inline four cylinder 1,968 cubic centimetres (120.1 cu in) Turbocharged Direct Injection (TDI), Bore x Stroke (mm): 81 x 92.5
Head
four valves per cylinder, DOHC, compression ratio: 18:1 (103kW), 16.5:1 (125kW)
Fuel system
Common Rail (CR) multi-point direct injection (DI) with 8 nozzle output, piezo elements, pressure up to 1850 bar
Aspiration
turbocharger, intercooler, water cooled exhaust gas recirculation (EGR)
Aspiration (200hp)
twin registered turbochargers with different diameters
Engine management
Bosch EDC 17
Exhaust
diesel particulate filter (DPF)
Output
103 kilowatts (140 PS; 138 bhp) 3,750-4,150 rpm, 320 newton metres (236 ft·lbf) 1,750-2,800rpm
105 kilowatts (143 PS; 141 bhp) 4,200 rpm, 320 newton metres (236 ft·lbf) 1,750-2,500rpm
125 kilowatts (170 PS; 168 bhp) 4,200 rpm, 350 newton metres (258 ft·lbf) 1,750-2,500rpm
147 kilowatts (200 PS; 197 bhp) 4,400 rpm, 400 newton metres (295 ft·lbf) 2,500-3,000rpm
Applications
VW Tiguan, Audi A4 B8, SEAT Exeo, Skoda Superb Mk2 (125 kW), VW Jetta TDI Clean Diesel (140 hp), SEAT Leon Mk2, SEAT Altea, SEAT Toledo Mk3, Škoda Octavia 1Z (125 kW), VW Passat CC
 
Interesting line up of VW diesel engines link title
 
Believe it or not, here in lies the secret ..." 1,750-2,500rpm "...
 
Max torque comes on at 1,750 and maxs out 2,500 rpms. Sure you can rev it out to redline 5,100 rpms. Much over 3,500 rpms and you really are just in the italian tune mode (no real effect) Keep it closer to, or slightly above 2,500 and the turbo is on boost. This thing in the correct gear will run all day/night xxx digit speeds and be happy as a clam. 09 oil consumption is still unknown (for me). The 03 TDI however consumes .25 to .5 qt in app 20,000 to 25,000 miles.
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Re: 2009 TDI engine? [ruking1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 01, 2009 6:59 am)

That's why I keep telling people not to rev their diesels up too high. That's not where the real power is.
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Re: 2009 TDI engine? [Mr_Shiftright] by ruking1
Jul 01, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 01, 2009 7:10 am)

Indeed. For some funny reason, most folks (even knowledge able car TESTERS) like to first drive a VW Jetta TDI like it is a whinny Honda begging for higher rev ving, i.e., 6,100 rpms . Max torque 110 # ft 4,500 rpms (?) (no disrepect intended or implied I own a whinny Honda and guess how I drive it?..... and it gets 38-42 mpg in daily commuting !!??
 
Predictably they are usually dissapointed.
 
Again off topic but the real secret to best mpg in the Civic is again to drive the torque. (aka with the 4500/6100 rpms ratio or 75% in mind.
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Re: 2009 TDI engine? [ruking1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 01, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 01, 2009 7:17 am)

Which is also why I often recommend a diesel with an automatic or manu-matic transmission in passenger cars , especially the heavier ones. The automatic might be better at picking the "sweet spot" for the power band.
 
Also I think it's kind of risky to rev a little diesel right up to redline all the time. We are talking about very high compression engines, here, and I do worry about the ability of the cylinder head itself and the head bolts and gasket to take all that day after day (comment is not specific to VW).
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Re: 2009 TDI engine? [Mr_Shiftright] by ruking1
Jul 01, 2009 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 01, 2009 7:28 am)

While I understand it, it still amazes me the 09 TDI gets 39-45 mpg during break in with 140 hp and 236 # ft of torque weighing 770#'s more than the Civic's 2,515 #'s with 115 hp 6,100 rpms and 110 # ft of torque 4500 rpms, 36-42 mpg. Off the charts in comparison is the 03 TDI 90 hp/155# ft 2,950#'s or 435 #'s more while getting 48-52 mpg during the same point a to b commute.
 
In addition, there are almost no comparisons any altitude (practically 2,000 to 8,000 ft).
 
I guess one day I need to go back up to Pikes Peak (14,100 ft)
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Surprised? Likewise ! by ruking1
Jul 01, 2009 (8:47 am)
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..."Compact sporty car: Scion tC
 
2nd place: Volkswagen TDI
Only two vehicles are listed here because they were the only ones to score above average in this category."...
 
link title
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Long Term Reliability by tld
Jul 01, 2009 (9:36 am)
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Here is something a little depressing by J.D. Powers. Instead of the initial quality study, it's the long term study of 3 year old vehicles. In one report VW is 36 of 37 manufacturers and then the Jetta was 17 out of 18 vehicles in the compact class.
 
Manufacturer Rank
 
Compact Cars Ranking
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Re: Long Term Reliability [tld] by ruking1
Jul 01, 2009 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: tld (Jul 01, 2009 9:36 am)

Yes indeed it is VERY interesting. FORD/GM /Toyota are literally at the top of the list and they are losing money in the US markets hand over fist !!! To have Buick do so well and be such a "SLEEPER" indicates a whole lot of other things are going on besides fine quality, durability, reliability, etc. You would think those qualities would MASSIVELY correlate with extremely good sales. Not even Tiger Woods (like he needs introduction as Golf legend, entrepreneur, etc.) could generate enough interest for and in Buick !!??
 
As for bringing up the rear as VW does, it is a PROFITABLE company !!?? It is also poised to be a dominate force in the diesel market. It is truly the only one that have able to put a large minority (30% of Jetta models) of its model production in diesels. To do this in the worst model year sales in many years is also a feat. They are shooting for 40% of their US production as diesels !!!
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Re: Long Term Reliability [ruking1] by m6user
Jul 01, 2009 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 01, 2009 11:47 am)

If we had not had $4 gas prices last year I don't believe the Jetta TDI would have had nearly the jump off it has had. Good timing means a lot in the auto business.
 
Does a companies current profits necessarily equate to quality??? That must mean when the Detroit Three were making tons of money they must have been generating very good vehicles indeed. I like to turn negatives into positives but this one doesn't fly!!!

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