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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 28, 2009 1:17 pm) VW gets a very respectable 24 mpg on its gasser Jetta's. The like model (diesel 09 Jetta TDI, DSG) on the other hand is almost literally vilified for getting 38 mpg or 58% BETTER fuel mileage !!!!!????? (we get a range of 39-45, more like 42/43 mpg) This is not even to mention that RUG to PUG is 76 to 122% MORE !!! ( per mile driven) So just as long as diesel is an option.... suffer in silence  I just filled the 03 Jetta TDI this morning. The last couple of tank fulls, I have been running around in "italian tune" mode. This tank yielded 50.7 mpg  I did keep it under 90 mph !!!  I am guessing the computer re calibrated the fuel flows and adjusted accordingly.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 28, 2009 1:17 pm) It had tons of tourqe, quiet and smoke free. It featured a 2.2 ltr engine with a Honda invented exhaust system that worked very much like the VW 09 Jettas. A big enough family hauler that no one mentioned claustraphobia, teeny cup holders, or cramped quarters back in the, cheap section. No, they all marvelled at the fuel gauge that didn't move, seemed to be broken or welded on 'full'. I think North American's would buy anything that got 60 mpg at 70 mph even if it burnt bat shit.
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Replying to: longo2 (Jun 28, 2009 1:50 pm) Now I would (personally) NOT disagree with you. .... BUT... the majority DOES disagree with you !! 2% of the passenger vehicle fleet is diesel= 5.108 M. 75% are " light" diesel trucks - 3.831 M = 1.277 M diesel CARS !! 75 mph with bursts to 80-85 mph and over two tank fulls, yielded 59 mpg !!!... Who CARES !!!??? |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 28, 2009 2:02 pm) I think you must have the all time mpg/mph best numbers on this forum. Not to dump sludge on your 03 Jetta Speedster, but consider what Honda's been busy at out on the race track. "U.K., – Honda’s new Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Sport has this week set no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 mpg) fuel economy to boot. British racing driver Robin Liddell and freelance journalist Iain Robertson were part of the European record-setting team." VW has this Diesel Family Sedan market all to themselves (for now) and I think if they start trying to fix what ain't broke, they will lose all they have gained since the mid 2000's with TDI,s...i.e. (rumor alert) requiring the 2010 Jettas to fill up on Urea every 7000 miles ($200) |
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Replying to: longo2 (Jun 28, 2009 2:27 pm) No worries here ! It has been tdi GURU inspected (during the 100,000 miles TB/WP change interval) ! 1. No intake manifold or EGR "sludge," despite using LSD (500 to 140 ppm) most of its mileage at that point (75% of 100,000 miles) . Thanks to the EPA and CA carbs etc. This 03 TDI was designed to run on ULSD (15 ppm to 5 ppm). 2. Clean as a whistle camshaft (original tool markings) and innards with 25,000 miles oil and oil filter changes !!  I am a belt and suspenders kind of guy, as I do not do 30,000 mile OCI's. My take has advocated MORE oems' putting more and varied diesels models on the US market ! I only cycle back to VW, because this is a VW diesel thread. I actually would like to put the Honda Accord 2.2 i CTDi through its paces. to see so called "real world" mpg.
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Replying to: longo2 (Jun 28, 2009 2:27 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 28, 2009 2:39 pm) If that was the case, I wonder just how modified they were by the factory for the Speed Tests, and how much of that 92 mpg number is from the 'Outer Limits'. In any case it's a shame that some sort of Diesel Conspiracy does seem to exist in the U.S. Everywhere you look people are knocking them using stale data from the 8o's and just downright stupid remarks. They are even usuing the oldest BS in the book to try and keep a lid on the subject, implying that diesel cars are somehow, "Un-American" in the 'comments' on published Jetta TDI tests in magazines and internet articles. |
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Replying to: tangledup625 (Jun 28, 2009 11:26 am) Then I have tried Mont Blanc cargo tray/platform and got rid of that one as well (too noisy when driving with open moon roof and too small to load anything on it. I think I am going to try now Westin aluminum cargo tray - the large size. If that does not work, I have a trailer hitch now installed and I will try some of the platforms in the rear. It's an on going project now. Haven't found the solution yet. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 28, 2009 3:40 pm) "Amongst the speed records set, which were all achieved in Production Car Class B (2000 – 2500 cc), were 133.04 mph (1 mile flying start), 84.25 mph (1 mile standing start) and an average speed of 130.38 mph over a 24-hour endurance period. These records were all set at Papenburg high-speed oval test track in north-west Germany on 1 and 2 May, and are all subject to FIA ratification. Two production cars, randomly selected by FIA officials, were used to undertake the speed records, and apart from the fitting of roll-cages, racing harnesses and radio equipment for track-to-pits communication, no other modifications were made to the cars. Following the speed record attempts, the same two cars were then driven 419 miles from Papenburg test track to Wiesbaden, near Frankfurt in order to complete the fuel economy run. The route comprised of a mixture of motorway and non-motorway driving, during which one of the Accords achieved a staggering 92 imperial mpg (US mpg=~76.6) average. The project, whose aim was to demonstrate the performance and economy of the Accord i-CTDi, was a joint production between Honda, the FIA and Italian-based JAS Motorsport, who managed fuelling and pit-stops. Honda UK’s driver in the speed record attempt, Robin Liddell, who has previously raced at Le Mans 24-hours, as well as the American Le Mans Series and the BRDC British GT championship, commented: "The car’s performance is very impressive, demonstrated by the records we’ve achieved. Honda has made real steps forward in styling, ergonomics and interior design with the new Accord Diesel and now has a package that can take on the best cars in its class." Too bad we won't get a chance to drive one. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 28, 2009 1:17 pm) In many EU countries some people now mix diesel with cooking oil half and half to save money. EU is considering clamping down on this "tax evasion" - they may tax McDonalds and other fast foods that sell used oil through back doors and people are mixing it with diesel (my friend from UK that works for Aston Martin and drives a Subaru Forester diesel there is telling me....). Problem with hybrids is that technology is now already old and aging. There hasn't been any new technology introduced in the past 10 years, since hybrids were introduced. Another argument is that most cells (if not all) come from China - so instead of being dependent on Middle East oil we will be dependent on Red Chinese... seems like an average American would rather be dependent on China than Middle East, right? |
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