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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2009 9:51 pm) "Be not the first by whom the new are tried, and not the last to lay the old aside" Whoever said it, probably got seriously stung by "being the first" on a new one wheeled chariot. Sometimes tho, the "First" can be pretty good, our 2007 Nissan Versa was the 'First' and now almost 3 years later, it's still without a recall or trip to the dealership. The Jetta for all it's high cost of ownership is the same wheelbase as a Toyota Corolla, or Nissan Versa. So in all the reading from your links (thanks) here's where I get muddled with VW thinking.. "As you know by now, VW plans to do that in part by "Americanizing" the Passat and Jetta, which not only will be sized to closely match Toyota Camry/Honda Accord and Corolla/Civic, respectively, but will be priced in line with those Japanese-American models, as well." My point ...they already are closly matched in size only the VW are more expensive. If the Honda TDI Accord was allowed into North America, VW would be in deep Dog Poo.
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Replying to: longo2 (Jun 28, 2009 7:24 am) I really can not speak for Nissan products. ..."If the Honda TDI Accord was allowed into North America, VW would be in deep Dog Poo. "... Like VW shooting themselves in the foot on other issues, Honda is doing like wise on the diesel issue.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 28, 2009 7:36 am) This was one of several headlines from 2007 when Honda had their TDI out on the road in New York, showing it off to Auto Writers and other interested Diesel lovers. From the faint information I can find on 'Wahapped'..... The EPA passed the engine for emmisions in the standard transmission set up, but the diesel with the a/t got failed. Honda packed up their 2 diesel cars and went home, never to be heard from since. (or so gossip says) On a 'Conspiracy Theory' note, imagine what that car would have done to all the company hype and sales of the newly minted and about to be released Honda Hybrid........ a 60 mpg Accord sized tire shredding diesel would have killed those wimpy hybrid sales deader than a doornail.
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Replying to: jogousa (Jun 28, 2009 5:21 am)
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Replying to: jogousa (Jun 28, 2009 4:01 am) That's like 10F and 78F. Plus having to check level and add after each fill up or two. $200 every 7k!!! That's too much hassle and too much money. Where do you keep the extra Adblue to keep it from freezing in your car.....under your armpit? Or does the car have some special heater that would keep it warm(and run your battery down) while it's parked at the airport in January! Smelly oily hands, hunting for D2, flucuating D2 prices and paying more up front are enough to go diesel....don't add all this other stuff. |
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Replying to: longo2 (Jun 28, 2009 9:05 am) So if you are going to introduce an "Accord" diesel for example, you really want as wide appeal as you can. I am swagging it is purely a numbers thang. By way of explanation, I follow the manual transmission thread. There are sparse references to the passenger vehicle fleet 20% being manual (50.08 M), and total MY sales being  10%, each MY, ( with some claiming less than 10%). While you have to give credit to Honda offering manual transmissions as part of the line up for almost 4 decades, it would seem logical they would want to sell as many diesels as possible, without exceptions like... it only comes with a manual. Another might be they do not have a killer automatic transmission application, that showcases the diesel. As an on topic example, the 03 TDI Jetta automatic transmission (aka slush box) yielded (far) less mpg than the 5 speed manual transmission (which actually SHOULD have been a 6 spd manual transmission). The DSG or automatic "manual" transmission, aka computer aided dual clutch pack, sports -1 or -2 mpg off a 6 speed manual transmission.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 28, 2009 10:59 am) |
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 28, 2009 10:50 am) In some respect I tend to agree with you, however, if I snoop around enough and ask the right people at the right places, I would think I could come up with the information. Edmunds and Kelly Blue Book post what I assume are true invoice prices when you research a vehicle, so it’s not that the information is top secret. Then again?
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I just got a JSW TDI with optional cross bars to the roof rails. I plan on getting a cargo box (Thule or Yakima) but not certain how long a box it can accomodate w/o blocking the rear hatch or hanging too far forward. Anyone with a Jetta wagon want to weigh in? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Any brand preference?
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Replying to: jkinzel (Jun 28, 2009 11:12 am) If you were selling used cars and someone asked "before I make an offer I want you to tell me what you paid for the vehicle". Would you balk or say "oh well, it's your right to know so here it is". I don't think so. Used cars are a good example. Try to find out what a dealer paid for a used car. They make thousands sometimes on a used car transaction. |
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