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Replying to: longo2 (Jun 27, 2009 7:50 pm)  By default that would make Gen V MY's 2009 and 2010 (given the path of constant improvement) the better MY's of the Gen V. By the reference here to 2006 this news might be 3/4 years in the making link title R & T's take link title MT's take link title |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2009 9:51 pm) Can anyone who works for VW or at a VW dealer confirm or deny?
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 27, 2009 7:35 pm) As far as 2010 Tdi with urea injection (a.k.a. AdBlue) the information from dealers is not always correct. Information from distributors is a bit more accurate as they have to plan marketing strategy for any new models that will be sold in each particular country. The correct information about future models is normally accurate from the manufacturer's R&D group. But even that may not translate into what will go into production and what will be sold. That is up to the management group of the factory and is normally confidential due to competition. I worked for over 10 years with R&D in Trollhattan, Sweden developing and testing new and future Saab models (before GM took over). We had cars that were being developed and tested (including a diesel and clutchless transmission). Not all of them ever went into production or sale. AdBlue (manufactured by BASF Group in Germany) has following bulletin out: The SCRT® - Selective Catalytic Reduction + Continuously Regenerating Trap - depends upon the use of AdBlue® for the selective catalytic reduction and upon regeneration of the filter in the CRT® to prevent large accumulations of soot and eventual filter blockage. Use of the incorrect reducing agent, poor vehicle maintenance, excessive engine smoke, oil consumption or high sulphur fuel can prevent the SCRT® system from operating satisfactorily. AdBlue® The industry standard AdBlue®, an aqueous solution of urea, is used as the reducing agent in the SCRT®. Without AdBlue®, the system will not function correctly and remove NOX from the exhaust gas. Only AdBlue® and no other reducing agent should be used in the SCRT® system. The AdBlue® level should be checked regularly and each time the vehicle is re-fuelled to ensure the tank does not run dry any time during vehicle operation. NB. The vehicle will continue to operate without AdBlue® but the SCRT® will not function correctly and remove NOX from the exhaust gas. No damage will be caused in this situation. The freezing point of AdBlue® is -11°C. In extreme cold environments it is possible the AdBlue® stored on the vehicle could freeze. Procedures to prevent this from happening should be taken as freezing could cause damage to the storage tank and will prevent the SCRT® system from functioning correctly. Fuels Use only diesel fuel with sulphur content less than 50 ppm and conforming to EN590 Do not use fuel additives other than those already incorporated in general commercial diesel fuel supplies. Additionally the following biodiesel and water-diesel emulsion fuels are approved for use with SCRT® technology: Biodiesel Greenenergy Global Diesel, 5% biodiesel, 95% ULSD Global Commodities UK Ltd, driveEco Rix Biodiesel Ltd, Bioblend 5 Petroplus Marketing Ltd, Bio-plus Water-fuel Emulsions BP Aspira  10% demineralised water Lubrizol PuriNOxTM 10% demineralised water Engine Smoke The level of smoke produced by the engine should not exceed the maximum limits set by the engine manufacturer. In addition, AdBlue level is to be checked every other diesel fill tank as it consumes about 3 to 5% from the tank under the vehicle. Not sure why VW would go this route when current Jetta Tdi system works fine. But, one never knows! I also think Daimler Benz together with BASF hold patent on this technology and whoever would want to use it would have to pay hefty royalties. But, I am not sure about that - just my speculation. |
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Replying to: mikemartin (Jun 27, 2009 10:08 pm) What is AdBlue? (urea solution) AdBlue is a high-purity, harmless, colorless, synthetically produced 32.5% solution of urea. AdBlue is not a hazardous substance and has been placed in the lowest water hazard class 1. The high purity and uniform quality are guaranteed by DIN 70070. What is AdBlue required for? In the SCR system, AdBlue reduces toxic nitrogen oxides in the exhaust gases of diesel-engined commercial vehicles to water and elementary nitrogen (a natural constituent of the atmosphere). How long can AdBlue be stored? AdBlue decomposes over time in storage to form ammonium hydroxide and carbon monoxide; it then no longer fulfills the requirements of DIN 70070. Provided the maximum recommended storage temperature of 25 °C is maintained, AdBlue continues to meet the requirements of DIN 70070 for at least 12 months after production. Should this recommended storage temperature be exceeded, this period is reduced. What is the refilling interval for AdBlue? The AdBlue consumption corresponds to approximately 3-6% of that of the diesel fuel. The size of the tank selected for the vehicle determines the AdBlue refilling interval. As a general rule, AdBlue will need to be refilled at each or every other refueling. Where can AdBlue be obtained at present and where will it be available in the future? AdBlue is currently available from BASF sales partners. What handling arrangements are required for AdBlue? Trendsetting handling. What does AdBlue cost? The price for AdBlue varies according to packaging, container, delivery location and quantity purchased. Current prices are available from our distributors. How can I store AdBlue at my facilities? To prevent contaminants from impairing the quality and at the same time to avoid high testing costs, AdBlue should be handled only in storage and filling systems intended exclusively for AdBlue. BASF distributors will be pleased to provide more information. Since AdBlue solidifies at -11°C and decomposes at an accelerated rate at temperatures above 25°C, storage and filling systems must be designed to assure of a temperature range of between 30 and -11°C. ® = registered Trademark of the Verband der Automobilindustrie
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freezing point of adblue is -11C ! It will be freezing often in new england vehicles. Possibly there is a heater included for the Adblue tank. Not relevant to Jetta/Golf TDI!  btw, there has been some misinformation here about California tinting laws posted here. folks can probably find the correct info via the California Vehicle Code & Cali state sites. Also there seems to be a misunderstanding among some readers that invoice price equals dealer cost. It generally does not, and buyers have no way to know what is the dealer cost. Dealer cost is literally "none of our business" here! sincerely, a dirty-diesel owner
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Replying to: elias (Jun 28, 2009 4:05 am) Well, in my opinion, it is our business. An informed buyer should know appx. dealer's cost so that he/she knows how much room there is for negotiating out of the door price with sales persons. If it would be "none of our business" why so many websites (like Edmunds, Consumer Union, etc). would go into publishing dealers' cost? I am lost here....
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Replying to: jogousa (Jun 28, 2009 4:53 am) Admittedly the rules seem to be changing now about whose business is whose, now that govt can set pay rate and invalidate private contracts arbitrarily. As far as I used to know, there aren't any web sites which claim to publish dealer cost, and certainly not such esteemed sites as Edmunds or CU ! If any sites were to publish details of the dealership/mfger's private contracts, maybe there would be some civil legal recourse possible due to them somehow wrongly-obtaining & publishing such info? (How would private contract info be obtained legitimately?!) If you know of a legit way to obtain info on private contracts like that, so we can best negotiate 2009/2010 Jetta TDI prices, probably lots of readers would like to know. (Actually many of us are probably lusting for Two-a-reg-2 TDI but I don't think Edmunds has a dedicated forum for those yet! best regards...
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Replying to: elias (Jun 28, 2009 5:03 am) By the way, dealership vs distributor prices are available to any insider in any car dealership and ditto for distributor vs manufacturer pricing. If I had such access or information I would not publish those on these pages for various legal reasons. |
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Replying to: jogousa (Jun 28, 2009 5:21 am) i hear you on the car-dealer-insider aspect - business-manager/beancounters at the dealership would know all that info. It's gotta be very un-fun times for anyone working for or owning a car dealership, although it's probably worse to be seeking employment so thatone can then consider upgrading from 06 sedan TDI to 010 wagon TDI! or 2-a-reg TDI. One consideration against upgrading from 06 to 010 TDI is that the basic chassis is not upgraded at all, aside from the wagon being available now, and the nifty new engine and 6-spd. And a few of the 06 features/options are not available on the 09/010? The big wins for me would be the wagon form-factor and the 6-spd stickshift.. I understand most any vehicle "invoice price" is both a fabricated number as well as good baseline number from which to subtract all the incentives/cashbacks/etc. And that the resulting # after all those subtractions from 'invoice price' can be a good target/comparison number for shoppers before they visit/contact dealers to see how close each dealer is willing to get for any particular vehicle. |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 27, 2009 9:51 pm) "Be not the first by whom the new are tried, and not the last to lay the old aside" Whoever said it, probably got seriously stung by "being the first" on a new one wheeled chariot. Sometimes tho, the "First" can be pretty good, our 2007 Nissan Versa was the 'First' and now almost 3 years later, it's still without a recall or trip to the dealership. The Jetta for all it's high cost of ownership is the same wheelbase as a Toyota Corolla, or Nissan Versa. So in all the reading from your links (thanks) here's where I get muddled with VW thinking.. "As you know by now, VW plans to do that in part by "Americanizing" the Passat and Jetta, which not only will be sized to closely match Toyota Camry/Honda Accord and Corolla/Civic, respectively, but will be priced in line with those Japanese-American models, as well." My point ...they already are closly matched in size only the VW are more expensive. If the Honda TDI Accord was allowed into North America, VW would be in deep Dog Poo.
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