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You are in the Volkswagen Jetta
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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#3010 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 26, 2009 (8:41 am)
..."I'm viewing the car as a Jetta with a diesel engine, not as a separate car--so I'm looking at all Jetta stats, not just TDI stats.
But you are right in that a TDI doesn't have an ignition system per se nor is it subject to the sludge issues of the other engines, so that may account for better reliability right there. "...
Right now the "advantage/disadvantage" is the 09 VW TDI does not have much history. The real places you have to look are the ww markets and probably more true, the European markets. There will be HUGE translation issues and I do not mean language.
I performed the research late 2002 early 2003 for the 2003 Jetta TDI and concluded that most issues were for lack of a better word ,"gasser related".
This is where the "constant" improvement process paid some dividends for VW and in effect were indicators that in effect let me feel more comfortable taking a "leap".
So for example tires, brake pads, rotors, shocks/struts were still questions/issues. Hind sight and experience leaves me more than happy. "Crappy" tires lasted 112,300 miles. Brake rotors/pads 119,000 miles appear to be at slighty more than "half". Shocks and struts and applicable hardware will probably be changed the 200,000 to 250,000 mark. I did not need an alignment at 112,300 miles even as I got one 100,000 miles as I was intensely curious as to how it fared and was offered a special. It gets absolutely THE best mileage and I can get whatever mileage at will. (44 to 62 mpg) I normally drive to yield 48-52 mpg. Of late I have been doing "Italian" and with the A/C blasting to boot, so yield has been LOW (48 mpg). I did do the recommended TB/WP change 100,000, even as very close inspection indicated a min of 20,000 more would be just fine. I am swagging 400,000 500,000 miles from the "crappy" dual mass clutch. If not, $725. will buy a V6 Sachs clutch (single mass) upgrade.
#3011 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (9:47 am)
Yes but you are a database of 1. Internet information for the average consumer does not paint such a hopeful future for VW buyers. It's not GRIM by any means, but it's definitely "iffy".
If the reliability ratings are "average" and you got a great car, then maybe I'll get a turkey, so we'll achieve "average" that way?
But I think I'm willing to roll the dice.
#3012 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 26, 2009 (9:57 am)
Well I did say that right up front!!?? Ultimately the only one one cares about is...??
Also I looked at the ODDS of me getting a "GREAT" car and truthfully getting one would have greatly defied the odds. I think as a result, I got a statistically "average" car. I can of course, NOT prove either scenario.
This might be off topic, but a very high percentage of MY 2006 Civic's (since I got a 2004 MY) have had HUGE and horrible rear end issues. I understand the corrective actions in a high percentage of cases have not corrected the "corrections" !!?? Honda Civic's have not suffered from bad "reliability ratings"
#3013 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (10:32 am)
Ratings are very important these days to a car's image and its success.
#3014 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 26, 2009 (10:49 am)
Are you leaning towards the 6 spd manual or 6 spd DSG?
#3015 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (10:54 am)
6 speed I think. I have yet to drive a new one, so we'll see. I'm not at all opposed to automatics with diesel engines--in fact, in some ways I think even the DSG arrangement would enhance the driving characteristics of a diesel. But I like the lower MSRP of the 6 speed and also being able to push start the car and/or tow it, etc. Simpler the better, in other words. I was also thinking of waiting for a lease deal from VW, if it ever happens.
#3016 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 26, 2009 (11:41 am)
Well if you look at the best reliability ratings compared to the worst...it's not all that bad. A couple problems over a few years....the Jetta is such a nicer car than most anything that can compete from a fuel mileage stand point. Of course a lot has to do with buying the appropriate vehicle. I wouldn't buy the diesel if you only drive low mileage trips or around town. A hybrid (or small gasser) would be a better choice. Out on the road though, it's just hard to compete with a diesel. I looked very close at getting back into a TDI a few weeks back. A dealer in Philadelphia is selling them for $1,200 under invoice....but the economics of running a second vehicle just still don't make sense at this point. I'm only driving at max, 20k per year and still need a good 4x4 truck on many days. It just makes financial sense to run the truck 100% of the time even with the deep discounts and tax credit. Maybe when my truck gets older and isn't depreciating as much and I don't want to drive it as often, it will make more sense. '09 TDI is an awesome care though and the six-speed manual is the way I would go. The DSG just kind of bugged me.
#3017 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [ruking1]
Jun 26, 2009 (11:57 am)
"Crappy" tires lasted 112,300 miles. Brake rotors/pads 119,000 miles appear to be at slighty more than "half".
In over 50 years of driving and over 35 vehicles I've never had a set of tires or brakes last anywhere near as long and I think I've had some pretty good tires at times. Maybe the experience you have with your vehicle is due in large part to the way you drive and maintain your vehicle. If I had to describe my driving habits/maint habits it would be average. To go over 100k on a set of tires and brakes you must drive very, very gently and in a straight line most of the time.
#3018 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [sebring95]
Jun 26, 2009 (1:08 pm)
$ 1,200 under invoice??? I think you wanted to say "under MSRP", right?
I don't think any dealer in right mind would sell a car for $ 1,200 below his cost!
#3019 of 4777 Re: new car purchase [jogousa]
Jun 26, 2009 (2:44 pm)
Where have you been? Check Fitzmall.com prices on TDIs, Hyundais, etc. They sell just about every vehicle under "factory invoice". TDIs are sold for $1000-1500 under invoice. Most dealers make their money through used cars, backshop, parts and then new cars in that order. They make money on new cars by selling volume and getting money back from the manufacturers for hitting sales numbers which are in addition to "dealer money" that is known. Happens day in/day out. Nearly every car any GM dealer is selling right now is well below factory invoice and I'm not talking about MSRP.