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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#2894 of 4777 Re: MPGs [dfciii]
May 30, 2009 (1:24 pm)
Well the technology that is the most untested (120,000 miles warranty by Fed law) is the new 50 state emissions system. On two so called problematic oems and products that I have personally considered I am batting 100% (no issues) during the length of the warranty miles and terms. One I did buy (2001 Corvette Z06) and one I did not buy 2003 VW Jetta. I have asked almost everyone I know involved with the 2009 Jettas (vendors,owners, folks that know folks..... three dealers even) and outside of the "normal new car" adjustment stuff, this seems to have a better ratio than products that have come before.
#2895 of 4777 Re: MPGs [ruking1]
May 30, 2009 (2:04 pm)
Yeah, no other car company that sells in America can claim the clean diesel technology that VW has come up with. It doesnt take Urea like MB, BMW, and many other luxury models, and it does not require dealers to service the particulate filter like some other brands. It seems like a win win situation, and that is why I bought one. I just wish it would not have broken so soon, as that lets a 27000 dollar distaste in my mouth about VW. Overall, I love it though.
#2896 of 4777 Re: MPGs [dfciii]
May 30, 2009 (2:08 pm)
Yes I hear you. It is no comfort I am sure to be the statistical anomoly.
It would seem that with EVERY oem, sometimes it is a game of dodging the known and unknown "bullets".
Not to get too far afield from the topic, but I see that side by side with a 2004 Honda Civic. It was next to the last (05) MY. So in theory,not the best of that gen but certainly not the worst. Years later hindsight(actually following Edmunds.com Civic threads) tells me I dodged HUGE bullets by not getting the 2006 MY, as it had HUGE rear tire wear issues and replacement of major/minor suspension parts, to correct. In a huge percentage of "hard" cases, it is still not corrected and I would assume NOT correctable.
Now I am VERY happy with the 2004 Civic and it has literally been FLAWLESS with 86,000 miles. BUT... in an A/B comparison, I have had to have 3 alignments to non being needed in the VW 118,000 miles. Tires shot 74,300 miles vs 112,300 in the VW, etc. Honda Civic pads and rotors a known weakness....
#2897 of 4777 Re: MPGs [dfciii]
May 30, 2009 (2:40 pm)
Hi dfciii, welcome to the club! My check engine light came on after 70 miles when I got my car home from the dealership, turns out it was a fuel pump relay that wasn't seated properly. I agree, building in Mexico may not have been the best choice.
Over 17,000 miles later and no further issues with mine, I hope you will be as fortunate. I agree with ruking, at least it will be covered under warranty, although it still doesn't help the feeling that you may have made a bad purchase.
#2898 of 4777 Re: MPGs [dfciii]
May 30, 2009 (8:37 pm)
If you check the EPA ratings you will find that the TDI's are the only vehicles that are getting 10% or higher mpgs than posted.
SO what's going on with the EPA?
I hate to sound like it's a conspiricy to make the Diesels sound as bad as possible, but I think that might be a big part of it. The EPA has been a toothless tiger that is mired in politics. It wouldn't surprise me if some day we find out just how much of what goes on there, is fudged and jiggled to make certain vehicles seem to get better mpg's than they really do.
Check this site and you will see real mpgs from real owners....take off the worst and discount the best owner posting, then you will find that the average mpgs are still well above the EPA on the TDI's.
So get the relay replaced and enjoy the all round, best for the money, fuel efficent car on the road today.
#2899 of 4777 Re: MPGs [longo2]
May 31, 2009 (5:35 am)
A few of us have debated that subject extensively. The bottom line is the EPA tries to make one test fit all technologies and it is not possible. The current tests implemented in 2008 seem to be optimized for accuracy with the hybrids. The old test gave them totally unrealistic ratings. However the old test was pretty accurate for the diesels from VW. Diesel is hardly the fuel of choice in Washington, so it is not surprising that they would have tests that favor what they would like to shove onto the public. It would not be so bad if the error was not so glaring. With the MB diesel SUVs the difference is close to 20% from reality. The only bright side is people are pleasantly surprised when they get much better mileage than they expected.
I am watching to see how the EPA tests the Plug in Hybrids and EVs. See if their one size fits all works for them. IMO they are a bunch of lazy civil servants sucking US dry.
#2900 of 4777 Re: MPGs [gagrice]
May 31, 2009 (6:27 am)
Don't forget that EPA rating also determines the amount of available tax credit
#2901 of 4777 Re: MPGs [longo2]
May 31, 2009 (6:37 am)
Longo2, you could not be any more correct than you are. The EPA is secretly dealing better cards to American car companies who pay them off to give their gas hog trucks better ratings than anyone can hope to achieve. I had a 2007 Chevy Silverado 1500LT Crewcab, with the 4.8L V8, rated at 19 highway, and i barely got 15. Then I buy this 2009 Jetta, and almost like magic it is rated 40 highway and I run 45 combined average on the first tank. If every car in America got this good of mileage, the oil companies would stand to loose billions and would shreak to the government for handouts. The government is only looking out for American companies no matter how bad their product is, and does not support the foreign reliable brands like subaru, vw, honda, and toyota, to name a few. IT IS ONE BIG CONSPIRACY.
#2902 of 4777 Re: MPGs [dfciii]
May 31, 2009 (7:00 am)
If every car in America got this good of mileage, the oil companies would stand to loose billions and would shreak to the government for handouts.
Oil companies would only loose a drop in the bucket compared to the lost revenue to Federal and State Governments from lost gas taxes. So who benefits most from keeping diesel passenger cars off US highways? The Saudiís and the oil companies, Federal and State Government. Follow the money, itís not a difficult trail, bread crumbs all over the place.
Our government talks a good line of oil independence and conservation, but itís the last thing they want you to do because it hurts the bottom line.
#2903 of 4777 Re: MPGs [sebring95]
May 31, 2009 (7:24 am)
Yes I have argued that point a lot with the Hybrid huggers around here. The Jetta TDI is more of an improvement over the gas version than the Prius over say a Corolla or Matrix. Yet the Jetta gets a paltry $1300 tax credit and the Prius $3100. And the Prius was based on the old test that claims 60 MPG in the city. What a joke the EPA is. And a real detriment to getting vehicles on the road that will significantly cut our use of fossil fuel. Then maybe the powers do not want to cut the usage.
The reality is Jetta TDI owners on average are getting 40% improvement in MPG over the standard 2.5L gas engine sold in the Jetta. Many are getting over 50% improvement.