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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [longo2] by longo2
Mar 13, 2009 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: longo2 (Mar 13, 2009 6:47 am)

Still poking around the internet trying to find answers to my 'cloging question'
I wonder if this posting from "Freds TDI' is getting close to the secret of why some TDI engines do and others..don't..............
 
"Oils that lack the CG-4 or CH-4 rating don't have the same level of anti-foaming and soot-dispersing capability. The best quality diesel-engine oils deal with it and render the soot as harmless to the engine as possible. Oils that don't meet the CG-4 or CH-4 ratings can't handle as much soot, so you need to change them sooner.
 
Finally, cheaply made oils (not the same as cheaply priced ...) usually won't have the same resistance to breakdown at high temperatures, that good quality oil does. High temperatures are found in the turbocharger. When oil breaks down at high temperature over a period of time, it "cokes" or builds up deposits in the high-temperature areas, which then restrict lubrication. Bye-bye, turbo."
 
If you buy a "Pre-loved" VW, you don't really know what oil has been used for changes. The VW recommended motor oil is expensive and hard to find, so if my intuition about human behavior is even half right, some V W's have been fed the wrong oil after the dealership services are over...and then I have heard that even they can't be trusted to always use the right product.
 
Makes you wonder if this is the a big part of the answer...
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [longo2] by chuckycheese
Mar 13, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: longo2 (Mar 12, 2009 2:44 pm)

I had a 2000 TDI which had a severe case of carbon/gunk buildup. 3 different dealers could not determine source of problem (after charging me for diagnosis time). Independent shop told me what was wrong as soon I explained problem without even looking at car. I now have a '06 TDI with 45K on odometer & no problems. I believe ultra low sulfur diesel may have something to do with no gunk buildup. I could be wrong.
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [chuckycheese] by sebring95
Mar 13, 2009 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: chuckycheese (Mar 13, 2009 12:27 pm)

Did you drive your '00 model differently than your new one? From what I've seen, driving easy and not reving the motor caused the build up. Several of the folks I knew that had that problem always drove conservatively for maximum economy. I drove mine pretty hard, usually at least one WOT per day, and never had an intake problem. Mine was over 150k miles when it got totaled and it was still quite clean. Had about 1/8" of "soot" inside. So not bad. Just curious how you drove that earlier model.
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [chuckycheese] by longo2
Mar 13, 2009 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: chuckycheese (Mar 13, 2009 12:27 pm)

"Independent shop told me what was wrong as soon I explained problem without even looking at car."
 
Hey chunky, mind sharing with us exactly what they told you? So far there have been several theories presented as to the Coking problem.
  i.e. wrong oil, bad diesel fuel, lugging the motor to save fuel, and mostly city driving.
 
Hold your nose and watch this video of a unique way of cleaning out the Crud in a TDI manifold!
 
http://www.errachidia.org/video/video-tdi-2-oet4qWeZuYA.html
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [longo2] by siberia
Mar 14, 2009 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: longo2 (Mar 13, 2009 6:47 am)

I wonder if your TDI intake system had been cleaned at some past milage?
 
I doubt it very much. I don't think the previous owner even changed the air filter or the fuel filter much less had the carbon cleaned. I have never seen an air filter bulged out over an inch in the middle and a fuel filter this corroded.
 
It' been suggested that a lot of urban driving contributes to the build up, but longer drives where the system gets hot, will help keep the crap moving through the engine, like it's designed. Any thoughts?
 
There is evidence from the nature of the tire wear that the car was driven hard, or at least braked hard.
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [longo2] by siberia
Mar 14, 2009 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: longo2 (Mar 13, 2009 8:25 am)

No, engine oil is not part of the answer - unless the oil is so bad the engine never breaks in. Properly maintained TDIs use a tiny amount of oil. An engine would have to use a huge amount of oil to plug up an intake manifold. The carbon build up comes from the fuel by way of the EGR valve and some small amount of blow-by fed back into the intake ahead of the turbo. And, the blow-by is mostly unburned fuel containing soot, not engine oil.
 
To the extent that there is a design defect in TDIs, that defect is that the engines have EGR valves. The 2009 TDI has the advantage of burning ULSD fuel from the start.
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [sebring95] by siberia
Mar 14, 2009 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Mar 13, 2009 6:13 pm)

I drove mine pretty hard, usually at least one WOT per day, and never had an intake problem. Mine was over 150k miles when it got totaled and it was still quite clean. Had about 1/8" of "soot" inside.
 
My '05 TDI looks like it might have around 1/8 inch of soot by the time it hits 150k miles. The previous owner must have abused it just about right.
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Re: TDI plugged intake issues [siberia] by longo2
Mar 14, 2009 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: siberia (Mar 14, 2009 8:11 am)

I have heard that using ULSD in earlier Jettas will be good for them, but using regular diesel would be an instant disaster for the exhaust systems in the new ones.
 
There's lots of chatter on the internet about how great 'clean diesels' are now, so hopefully the ULSD will become avaliable at more stations.
 
  Honda has a new 4 cyl, clean diesel on the way in the Accord later this year..so that might finally break the ice and get the oil companies into the 21 century.
 
Postings like this road test of a nice 06' have got to be helping wake up the public....(the car has ben sold)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aDihD1AqI&feature=related
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Too Good to be True by longo2
Mar 16, 2009 (4:43 pm)
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Well, I found a 'shadow blue with grey leather' pckage 2 Jetta in the Utah Auto trader for $14885. It had about 70,000 miles and looked to be in minty condition.
 When I was able to contact the dealer about it today, they told me it had a "blown turbo" and was going to the dealership wholesale auction...tomorrow.
 
Then they said what would you offer us for it?
  
Keep in mind I live 1000 miles away and have no idea of what the repairs could come to, and if they did they weren't saying.
 Sorry to say I choked and told them I could not imagine what a dollar figure for the Jetta might be under these circumstances and said, take it out back and put it out of it's misery.
 
Other than that it was just what I am looking for..........
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Re: Too Good to be True [longo2] by shrifty
Mar 16, 2009 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: longo2 (Mar 16, 2009 4:43 pm)

From what little I know, I'd say about a grand for the turbo or so. Also, to the rest of the board, how would one blow a turbo? Would it be from abusing the car? Or just happen to be a faulty part?

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