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Jetta TDI sales keep VW doing better than average by gagrice
Dec 04, 2008 (7:10 am)
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“This is the toughest economic environment we’ve seen in a long time and it presents a significant challenge” said Mark Barnes, Chief Operating Officer, Volkswagen of America, Inc. “Nevertheless, our clean diesel TDI’s continued to sell very well even in this tough economy and represented 17 percent of our monthly sales. This is very promising for the Volkswagen Brand as we strive to continue to be the market leader in affordable clean diesel technology.
 
Total VW sales YTD is only -2.1%. Not too shabby when you look at the big guys down 30% to 40% or more. Now if the reliability factor is there VW could emerge in very good condition. I could get excited about a Tiguan TDI....
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Re: Diesel Additive necessary with ULSD for 2009 TDI? [elias] by ruking1
Dec 04, 2008 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: elias (Dec 04, 2008 6:21 am)

Sure I have done those 10-20 degree, 24 hours for a few days....but mine has never seen a 24/7 winter, nor have I ever used a winter additive, AND I have never seen a fuel freeze issue! . While I should have it on hand, I do not. However as I have hinted, fore armed is fore warned. So indeed I do what YOU do.
 
Also while I have used Primrose 405C since new, truthfully I really can not tell the difference when either I skip or forget to treat a tank fill up.
 
So it is good that you chimed in with your 310,000 miles diesel perspective. That is obviously more than my 111,000 miles.
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Re: Diesel Additive necessary with ULSD for 2009 TDI? [elias] by ruking1
Dec 04, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: elias (Dec 04, 2008 6:21 am)

So I am very curious, app 300,000 miles, how has your fuel pump (the real reason I take this belt and suspenders approach) and injectors been holding out? Are they stock? Are they oem replacements or aftermarket vendor's?
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best car for high mileage drivers by johngmiller75
Dec 04, 2008 (8:49 am)
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I was wondering if anyone could advise me as to what is the best car for high mileage drivers. My wife commutes 100 miles each day and I generally drive around 400 miles per week as well. Fortunately, almost all of it is highway driving. Our problem is that we run cars into the ground prematurely. I am looking for the absolute best car to pile miles onto. I am looking into the Jetta TDI because I have heard that diesals can last several hundred thousands of miles. Therefore, we might be able to keep one of them for 8 or 9 years without any real major headaches. The current price of diesal as compared to gas makes that aspect of it less attractive, although the long term durability would still probably be worth it. Could anyone please answer the following:
 
1) What are the best choices for people like me who do huge amounts of higway driving ; and
 
2) If it is a diesal, how long do the actual cars last, reaslistically, not necessarily in the absolutely best of circumctances, but realistically.
Thanks
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Re: best car for high mileage drivers [johngmiller75] by ruking1
Dec 04, 2008 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: johngmiller75 (Dec 04, 2008 8:49 am)

At 26,400/20,800 yearly miles both are candidates for TDI's. I run side by side a Civic. The cleanest way to compare: (total) cost per mile driven.
 
So for example, tire cost: Civic, I got 74,300 miles. Oem tires cost $256/74,300 miles =.0034454. per mile driven
                         Jetta, so far still going at 111,000 miles. Oem tires cost $360/111,000=.0032432 per mile driven
 
Commute mileage (same commute for comparison purposes) is 38-42 mpg/48-52 mpg. Just plug in your current and projected fuel prices. If most of your mileage is highway and you are fine with a manual, that would be my choice for the TDI (has been actually). Mine is a literal baby 111,000 miles. But on the other hand, so is the Civic at 76,000 miles. Hands down there is literally no comparison on which I would RATHER drive. However this is not very quantifiable on the (total) cost per mile driven metric.
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Re: best car for high mileage drivers [ruking1] by johngmiller75
Dec 04, 2008 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 04, 2008 9:09 am)

I take it that the VW TDI is the one you would RATHER drive? They do look fun. Hondas are great cars, but would a diesal Jetta last even longer in terms of miles?
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Re: best car for high mileage drivers [johngmiller75] by ruking1
Dec 04, 2008 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: johngmiller75 (Dec 04, 2008 9:45 am)

Absolutely !!! Absolutely, for a sedan anyway! And absolutely!!! In addition, on NON commute (we have rolling parking lots for a commute) I cruise the VW TDI at much higher avg speed. At a steady 75 mpg with bursts to 80-85 mph (3 states highway patrols 5 car wolf packs servicing customers) I got 59 mpg. Same speed trips with the Civic, tickled pink with 40 mpg.
 
Well look at the PERCENTAGE on the (tire) metric I used as an example. What I should have included, I have HAD to have three CIVIC alignments vs NONE needed for the Jetta TDI. We are NOT curb feelers. Now obviously that is NOT DIESEL related, but I hope that addresses what can be a common Civic misconception. So one mitigation would be to get a lifetime alignment package. (if anyone still offers that)
 
The reality as it is working out for me is: Civic consumable parts wear anywhere from 2 to 4 times FASTER than the Jetta. I have EVERYTHING to gain (aka SAVE) by telling you it is the SAME as for the Jetta, it obviously has NOT been (to me anyway) . It might also be obvious, I am paying MORE !!??
 
This is further WEIRD, as the Jetta is APP 436 # 's HEAVIER (2950 #-2514 # ). So a more valid comparison would be one driver vs 3 MORE folks in the (CIVIC) car (assuming 152#'s per person). Now would you project tires would wear same/faster/slower with one person in the vehicle or 4?
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Re: best car for high mileage drivers [ruking1] by ruking1
Dec 04, 2008 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 04, 2008 9:52 am)

The interesting thing that gets lost (PLUS 10% advantage currently over the Civic) is that the Civic uses 32% MORE fuel (38/50) !!!! Said the other way, the TDI uses 24% less. So really the logistical system as reflected in the operative behavior is NOT interested in folks like you and me using less fuel AND cutting our costs.
 
YET using less fuel is PRECISELY what the hot air is all about !!! Seems to me the real effect IS inverse. Indeed even as we are ACTUALLY using less fuel, there is wide spread talk of increasing the fuel tax. One local pundit suggests a 1 dollar increase per gal. So your real reward for saving all that fuel? Why higher prices of course !!!
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Re: best car for high mileage drivers [johngmiller75] by sebring95
Dec 04, 2008 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: johngmiller75 (Dec 04, 2008 8:49 am)

Here's what I tell people that ask the question concerning longevity and problems: It depends on YOU. If you're the type that doesn't keep their vehicle in tip-top shape, doesn't really like to deal with cars, and generally just drive and do the absolute minimum to keep your car on the road, then most any gas car will likely be less of a headache. The TDI is a more sophisticated machine than your average gas vehicle. That being said, it doesn't automatically mean the TDI is more problematic. Someone that doesn't really care properly for ANY vehicle will likely see more problems. However, the TDI is more picky and will be more suseptible to owner abuse. There are general maintenance and driving habits that can be the difference between a mediocre vehicle, and a vehicle that lasts a very long time.
 
I'm also not very bullish on VW dealer service, as I've seen some really bad stuff going on there. They're usually not as well trained as they should be and TDI's are a relatively rare breed, so they're learning on your car. If you can do the maintenance yourself and are willing to do the research, buy a few tool/books, the TDI can be extremely rewarding. If I were to require all service from a dealership, I'd buy something else.
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Re: best car for high mileage drivers [johngmiller75] by vwinva
Dec 04, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: johngmiller75 (Dec 04, 2008 8:49 am)

I am driving a 2002 Jetta TDI wagon w/ automatic. Bought it used in 2003, now have 207K on it. Mostly highway, do 85 miles daily round trip. Have done the maintainance by the book. If you can find a hobby shop you can do the filters, fluids and tire rotations yourself. The only major maintainance that requires a mechanic is changing the timing belt. Book says every 80K, I ran mine past 110K. Have replaced a water pump as a precautionary measure when the belt was done. Wagon is still running strong, expect to get 300K out it. Only complaint is the sun roof which leaks. Not just a VW issue, every sun roof I have had leaked. I'll agree that VW dealers don't know much about TDIs. Which is why I do my own maintainance. Suggest reading the FAQ file on tdiclub.com. Will give you a drivers-eye view of what to expect.

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