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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [tditoronto] by gagrice
Oct 30, 2008 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: tditoronto (Oct 29, 2008 8:48 pm)

A 150,000 miles sounds pretty good to me. My 1994 Toyota PU only got 11,000 miles before needing a new clutch. It was driven by my son whom I would assume was not easy on it. In 1995 it cost me $900 to have replaced at the Toyota dealer.
 
Have you had any other trouble with your TDI?
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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [tditoronto] by malmouza
Oct 30, 2008 (4:42 am)
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Replying to: tditoronto (Oct 29, 2008 8:48 pm)

I am afraid to let you know the bill will be high. It is normal for any car to have the transmission start failing after 130,000 miles. For cars located in urban area with a lot of traffic the transmission has tendency to break a lot sooner than cars driven in rural area. The car transmission in stop and go traffic has tendency to heat up faster, and by consequence the oil breakup occurs leading to higher friction, and damage to the gears. The best protection you can do to avoid this premature transmission damage is to change the transmission oil every 15,000 miles. You’ll be amazed how dirty that oil is after only 15,000 miles. This also depend on the driving style, aggressive driving versus civilized driving. My advice to you in order to save money, you’ll be better if you find a used transmission with low mileage from junk yard, some cars that have been in an accident, rear crash have the engine and transmission still new, you can buy that transmission and give it to your mechanic to swap the old one for the new one. The cost of labor will be a lot less than changing the clutch and later after couple hundred miles you’ll find out that the gear also are failing. Good luck.
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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [tditoronto] by ruking1
Oct 30, 2008 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: tditoronto (Oct 29, 2008 8:48 pm)

Clutch chatter CAN be a signal. I look for that, plus clutch slipping. There truly is/can be a wide range in how many miles one gets out of a clutch. Barring manufacuturing defects, most of it is how a person drives and of course drives, given the conditions. My goal is 400,000 to 450,000 miles, but I do regularly drive the streets of San Francisco,... so of course, we shall see. I am currently at 110,000 miles.The car has also spend rush hour time in downtown Los Angeles, Oakland, San Diego, Portland, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa, Miami, San Antonio, Dallas, Las Vegas, Santa Fe, Phoenix, Vancouver, BC.
 
The last clutch job that I watched, the guy had 230,000 miles and had done a host of things to his car, suspension upgrades: struts, shocks, springs, front and rear sway bars, lower profile tires, expensive rims, chipped, two upgrades of nozzles.... I am probably leaving a bunch of key things out. If he was not approaching 275# ft (from 155 # ft) I would be surprised. The bottom line is we were standing there and he asked me if he should do the clutch (as he had the V6 upgrade at home). I had ridden with him and got a sense of how he drove and treated the car and told him flat no. Wait till he got clutch chatter/slipping and or both.(It should be fairly obvious just his power options seriously out powered his clutch) However I also said to him that if the clutch is pulled to check the condition, it was actually then marginally to way (depending on condition of course) cost effective to put in the NEW one. Curiosity I think got the better of him and he went back home to get the upgrade. When the clutch was pulled, it easily could have gone another 200,000 miles (430,000 total) . We just busted up at the projection and scenario we had discussed before the dismantling. The guru who was doing the job concurred. So the clutch (upgrade) was installed. He was a happy camper before, but I think because he could NOW use his power upgrades with more abandon, a happier camper AFTER.
To answer your question, you really have a couple of choices. The best would be to get on www.tdiclub.com. A vendor I trust is Bleachedbora who sells clutchs/flywheel/throwout bearings. Email him if you have questions. An upgrade (V6) is at $375. shipped. Look to get the service (clutch job) at a local GTG. We are talking less than $725. all tolled.
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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [gagrice] by tditoronto
Oct 30, 2008 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 30, 2008 4:23 am)

I've had virtually no problems at all with my TDI that have been engine related. I've maintained it by the book though, through the dealer, so it hasn't been cheap. I realize it is going to cost nearly $2,000 to do a proper clutch replacement, but I'd rather have it done right the first time. It's true though, I might end up with a new clutch, and a transmission that is on the verge of collapse. I dont' think there is anything wrong with the gears though. How would I know if the transmission, as opposed to the clutch, is wearing down?
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Re: Delivery delay for TDI Sportswagen [mariobgoode] by nwjeffor
Oct 31, 2008 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: mariobgoode (Oct 28, 2008 5:36 pm)

I'm in almost exactly the same boat. I "ordered" my JSW TDI on July 5th and was told it would take approximately 90 days to get a car. I have been told for the last four weeks that the car is in the "next build-out" and that they (the dealer) have a "commission number" but no VIN yet. I'm starting to wonder if I've been waiting all this time for nothing.
 
So, now that 15 weeks have passed, I'm waiting. I may take some advice I read on this thread and go to the dealer and look at their list of cars that are on the way.
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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [tditoronto] by bpeebles
Oct 31, 2008 (3:22 pm)
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Replying to: tditoronto (Oct 29, 2008 8:48 pm)

You did not say under what conditions your clutch is "chattering" thus given the vague description, there is not very much a competent mechanic can tell you about your situation.
 
If you need to know the price to replace clutch ... CALL SEVERAL SHOPS and ask for estamates. This is such a rare occourance on VWs that you may not get much from asking on the internet.
 
A properly-treated clutch on a TDI should last for over 200K miles. Heck - one does not even need to touch the throttle when starting off from a dead stop.
 
As for your xmission, I can tell you that a VW manual xmission can EASILLY go over 200,000 miles. There should be no need to do anything but replace the synthetic fluid in the xmission with ONLY factory-recommended . (or RedLine MTL). I have never even HEARD of a VW xmission wearing out. (And I have owned many VWs over the years.)
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Delivery delay for TDI Sportswagen [bpeebles] by mariobgoode
Nov 01, 2008 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Oct 28, 2008 6:04 pm)

I will follow your advice and visit the dealer two weeks from today. That will give him time to get me details like VIN, if indeed it is in production. My understanding is he put in a search for the cars in production and scheduled for delivery since July, and sent in my order, but nothing has emerged so far, so I was their first custom order that is coming to their dealership. I'll make a point of checking the delivery schedule, as you wisely suggested. The rebate is only good until Dec 31, so if my car doesn't come in by then, I'll just give up and go get an Audi TDI which is coming next year. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [bpeebles] by siberia
Nov 02, 2008 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Oct 31, 2008 3:22 pm)

Noisy dual-mass flywheel? Oil on clutch plate/disk causing judder? Only during engagement? At idle in neutral? Clutch in - clutch almost out - clutch out? Even incompetent mechanics need info.
 
Manual transmissions usually give warning signs (except under abuse) long before they fail completely. I drove a manual transmission over 30,000 miles with a bad input shaft bearing once before I got tired of the noise and replaced it.
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Tires/Nokian by shrifty
Nov 02, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Thanks to all with comments regarding the tires, I will definately look into the Nokians (never heard of them before). My current tires seem ok in the snow (light snow so far), but I will have them replaced before the winter season begins.
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Re: TDI Clutch Wear [siberia] by tditoronto
Nov 02, 2008 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: siberia (Nov 02, 2008 7:36 am)

They haven't taken the unit apart yet, and I would be reluctant to have that much labour cost put into it, unless I knew what the outcome was going to be. A knowledgeable mechanic told me after driving it at around 100,000 miles, that it would not make it to 120,000 miles without replacing the clutch. Here I am at 150,000 miles and it is only now starting to convince me. The clutch lost it's buttery smoothness probably at around 20,000 miles, but isn't that common. I mean, I've had 4 manual transmission cars in a row, and nothing quite matches that "New-Clutch" feeling. It doesn't last long though. Then again, I've only ever owned VWs, so I can't really speak for the clutches of other brands.
 
As for how it sounds / feels, it is restricted to feel...there are no related sounds. I'm easy on the clutch. I never ride it, and it is almost fully engaged before I start to push the accelerator. However, just recently, I'm noticing that as I'm starting to push the accelerator, the clutch is slipping. It shudders, but there is no sound. I can feel it through the pedal, through the seat of my pants. Another thing that it is starting to do occurs as I'm accelerating onto the highway from an onramp, usually in 3rd or 4th gear. It doesn't happen all the time, but there is a momentary lack of power, or so it seems. I've decided that either the clutch is slipping and allowing the engine to rev slightly without the related additional momentum that you would expect, OR the engine alone is experiencing power loss. Could the turbo be dieing? The dealer mistakenly diagnosed it as the cause of a noise at around 100,000 miles, so I ended up getting a new turbo under warranty. It only has 50,000 miles on it.
 
Too many of these things are happening within days of each other. The clutch is obviously wearing, so I'm reluctant to assume that the turbo could be going at exactly the same time. On top of it all, the coolant hoses split about a week ago, and within hours of that happening, the front suspension started creaking as if it had no lubricant on it. I assumed that maybe the leaking coolant disolved the lubricant on the suspension. The mechanic noticed my suspension bushings were worn, so they replaced those, along with the coolant hoses. Unfortunately, after a few hours of silent suspension, the creaking noise came back louder than ever.
 
If I fix all this stuff, I'm probably going to be $3,000 in the hole, and keeping the car for another 150,000 miles

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