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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
Jul 30, 2008 (2:58 am)
I now have both in my garage, 08 Odyssey and 08 Jetta SE. Both are too new to offer a reliability opinion. However, I am keeping my fingers crossed they only require 5K oil changes (honda) once or twice a year. In terms of build, the Jetta kills the Odyssey in materials and assembly. This US built Odyssey has more rattles and noise, and it feels cheap. Honda has also had their fare share of transmission issues over the past few years as well. That said, the powertrain is silky smooth and much more refined than the 2.5 in the Jetta. The Jetta's materials and ride quality are superb. It is quiet on the road, switch gear and seats are excellent, as is the night time interior lighting. It has many more unique features than any Honda at is price. I really would have a hard time having another US built Honda. My Japanese 2003 Nissan Pathfinder was as durable as they come. I wish I would have kept it, but the van is a MUCH more versatile family hauler.
#2068 of 4777 Re: [sebring95]
Jul 30, 2008 (4:58 am)
Read post #2062; as I mentioned before, the reliability between Honda and VW is limited to a minor problems. For VW is the electrical system that create more problems to owners, like the switch that fail for windows motor, the switch for the outside mirrors, the check engine that come on because of faulty canister, this is part of the emission system. For Honda the problems are limited to rattling because of cheap plastic used to cut cost, noisy cabin at highway speed if the engine is an I4 with displacement bellow 2.0L, the brakes rotors have tendency to fade quickly, or create a vibration in steering wheel during braking. VW has a good quality material inside the cabin, but they have tendency to smell like hell after one year of use, I think the rubber and carpet used is of poor quality, it smells like a wet dog inside the cabin due to an extreme condensation, and because of good insulation. Honda in the past 5 years they start cutting cost by using poor quality material, because they know they can do it; they build up a big reputation, I never talked to anybody about Honda and said itís a piece of junk. But again, lately a few people start complaining about quality problem in Honda product, like the problem with 2004, 2005, 2006 transmission problems in the Odyssey minivan. All car Manufactures are coming up with good quality cars, Their engines last for long time, the only thing that consumer need to take in consideration is the resale value of the vehicle and the premium paid up front, and of course the size of the vehicle they need.
#2069 of 4777 Re: [malmouza]
Jul 30, 2008 (5:12 am)
Indeed my swag (on the Honda) the auto transmission will go before the engine. When it does almost all anecdotal and research information says a min of 1500 to 2,500 for repairs. Needless to say I hope it lasts far longer. At 40,000 miles, I have had to have an alignment vs not needing it on the VW app 104,000 miles!! Indeed it could have gone to 200,000 miles easily. I also think (measured actually) the brake pads and rotors, to go way before on the Honda. On the VW 109,000 miles, the front/rear pads are not even close to half worn. I swag the Honda's struts and shocks will need changing far earlier than the VW TDI. The paint job is not near the quality of the VW. I could go on and on.
#2070 of 4777 Re: [malmouza]
Jul 30, 2008 (5:40 am)
For Honda the problems are limited to rattling because of cheap plastic used to cut cost, noisy cabin at highway speed if the engine is an I4 with displacement bellow 2.0L, the brakes rotors have tendency to fade quickly, or create a vibration in steering wheel during braking.
Quit it, I cannot stop laughing. You would drive a car that has rattles, noisy at speed and has marginal brakes?
I test drove a Yaris. It was noisy by my standards making it a no way purchase. The little POC econoboxes being sold to save a little gas are crazy. When you can buy a solid, great handling car that gets great mileage, money should be the only factor.
I understand if you cannot afford the VW Jetta TDI. Then go for a little POC Hondas. I am not at all impressed with our Pastor's 07 Honda Civic. I make every excuse to drive our 1990 LS400 or Sequoia when we all go someplace. I am not into sardine can transportation.
You keep mentioning the window switches on the VW Jetta. My understanding is VW repaired those at no cost long after the warranty was up. As far as timing belts, my 2007 Toyota Sequoia requires a belt change at 90K I believe it is. Not that I will ever put 90k on the vehicle.
If you buy a VW Jetta with the gas engine it makes little sense to me. They do not get great mileage. I guess you still get the great driving experience for less money. It never occurred to me to own one.
#2071 of 4777 Responce From VW
Jul 30, 2008 (7:43 am)
I wrote an email to VWAG basically saying they need to put a thumb on their dealers as they are asking $5K over MSRP. The response is below;
Welcome to the Volkswagen website. We appreciate your comments and they
have been noted.
Volkswagen dealerships are empowered to create policies and procedures
suitable for their business needs, therefore, pricing, availability, and
policies may vary. We offer the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices
as such. The final, negotiated price is ultimately determined between
the customer and Volkswagen dealer.
Also spoke with a VW dealer in Bremerton, WA. All of the 2009 allotment of TDIís have been pre sold or spoken for.
Maybe this time next year.
#2072 of 4777 Re: Responce From VW [jkinzel]
Jul 30, 2008 (7:57 am)
I would not let that be the last effort, especially if you are still interested. Anymore, affinity groups have led to buying cars from dealers in different states. I worked with a broker that happened to be a GM products dealership and got an 03 VW TDI. Put the word out.
Jul 30, 2008 (8:07 am)
My G-D!!! You guys are delusional!!! If you have a VW that has been problem free, consider yourself the exception, and not the rule. It's just the opposite for Honda.
If you want the bare truth on reliability, go to the 2008 Consumer Reports Buying Guide, which is based on over a quarter of a million surveys, and look at the difference between ALL COMPONENTS of Honda versus Volkswagen.
They break it down by engine, transmission, suspension, trim, heating and cooling systems, fuel systems, etc., etc.
Honda is all top notch, even 6 and 7 year old Hondas! Volkswagen quality disintegrates after the first year!!! Even 5 year old Hondas are far more reliable than one year old VWs!!!
I mean, please, be even somewhat realistic. Like I said, I am considering purchasing a VW, because they have more character than Honda, but I also know it's a truly risky proposition given VWs inability to reign in their quality control issues. It's not just electrical problems, not by a long stretch.
Jul 30, 2008 (8:36 am)
Look man, no matter what you said HONDA sell more cars in USA than VW. HONDA reputation in USA far exceed VW. Not all these people are wrong and you're the smart person who all figure it out. Diesel is good but it is not a good choice at this time, because the gap is widening between gas and diesel. Read post # 2008. The numbers prove that buying diesel in the future does not make any financial sense; unless youíre one of those people that are saying Biodiesel is going to be cheap, once they come up with a way to extract it cheaply.
#2075 of 4777 Re: [hebrewhammer]
Jul 30, 2008 (9:01 am)
If you want the bare truth on reliability, go to the 2008 Consumer Reports Buying Guide, which is based on over a quarter of a million surveys
I for one would NEVER buy a car recommended by CR on purpose. Their recommendations are based on surveys of their subscription holders. Get the picture? Who subscribes to CR? Just those people that like their reports. Mostly Japanese car buyers. Honda had a good run in the 1990s. They are still living off that reputation. They have not done as well the last several years. You like Honda buy em. That is what they are here for. I personally am not considering it.
I am not trying to say that VW has some kind of stellar record for reliability. I am saying if you have driven a VW then a Honda you know why some folks like the VW better. They feel solid on the road. They are quiet and they stop VERY well. I loved driving my VW Passat TDI Wagon. I some times wonder if I should have kept it. Greed for profit makes me do crazy things. If it was 3 inches higher from the ground I would have kept it. I just like a higher vehicle for getting in and out of and not worrying about driving off a curb.
#2076 of 4777 Re: [malmouza]
Jul 30, 2008 (9:12 am)
If all you care about it getting from home to work you are better off with a Fit or Yaris. I personally like driving through the hills on windy roads. There the VW diesels excel. I would not be able to stand listening to a little gas 4 banger screaming up Interstate 8 at 70 MPH. My diesels all pull those long grades in high gear. Diesel will have to go a LOT higher to be a bad deal. You like our ethanol laced gas, that is fine with me. It is your money you are throwing away.
HONDA sell more cars in USA than VW
I guess that means that Toyota, GM and Ford are all better than Honda as they sell more vehicles. VW sells more than BMW, Porsche and MB, so what is your point?
I don't think that biodiesel will be as cheap as fossil diesel until Oil supplies start to diminish. It is an alternative for the future.