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#21 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [ruking1 #14]
Jul 03, 2004 (1:10 pm)
I recently bought a 2004 TDI jetta and been looking for the right oil that meets the VW 505.01 standards. Let me get this right. Your using Mobil One Truck & Suv - 5w40 oil for you jetta? Question #2 How difficult is it to change your own oil? Does the plastic shroud need to be removed from the bottom? And what about the plastic piece on top for the oil filter? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#22 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [dpl #21]
Jul 04, 2004 (4:28 am)
Please note that Ruking1 has a 2003 TDI Jetta, not a 2004. He can use the Mobil One oil because it meets the 505.00 spec. VW makes it very clear that only 505.01 oil is acceptible in the new TDI, and using anything else could void your warranty! Motul and Elf both have 505.01 oil available on the internet; or you can buy the Castrol 505.01 oil from your VW dealer, but at a higher price. Check out www.tdiclub.com for more information, including how-to videos for DIY maintenance, etc.
#23 of 4777 Re: MOPARBAD [mpgman #19]
Jul 04, 2004 (7:53 am)
"What kind of mileage are you getting with the manual? "
I have an 04 GLS TDI 5SPD Sedan and I average 44mpg in mixed driving. My lowest has been 41MPG in 100% city driving and my highest has been 52MPG in 100% hwy driving. I don't drive to conserve fuel..I just drive "normal"...sometimes I am quite agressive with the accelerator, but not all the time. BTW I paid $21,400 for mine with leather..only options I don't have is the CD-Changer (trunk mount) and Auto Tranny.
#24 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [dpl #21]
Jul 04, 2004 (3:10 pm)
Sorry for the late answer, out and about for a few days on the CA coast in Santa Barbara, CA. Yes, you have that correct but make sure, since you have a 2004 that you get either the Motul or the Castrol that meets the 505.01 VW specification also in 5w40.
It is not really difficult to change oil the old traditional way. VW of course, wants to make it more difficult: 1. with the plastic pan underneath. 2. you ran into the three bolt plastic piece on the top, with plastic caps.
I bought a Mity Vac evacuator, and changing oil after almost 5 decades is almost fun again. After the plastic top removal of 3 each 10 mm nuts,(use a 10 mm nut driver) you pull it off to expose the plastic top loaded cartridge oil filter top. You remove the dip stick and put the evacuator straw down app 33 in and pump the evacuator and remove the hot to warm oil. It might take you all of 3 mins!!! After you remove the plastic top loaded cartridge oil filter top, you can pull out the oil filter cartridge (use a plastic bag, as if you are picking up dog poop, and you can turn the bag in on itself for little to no messy drip all over your engine block) When the evacuator is finished (app 4-4.25 qts), pump it again once you put the straw into the oil filter cartridge holder and evacuate the oil in the deep holes and in the upper portion. Total oil change and rebutton takes app 10 min.
#25 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [ruking1 #24]
Jul 05, 2004 (8:11 am)
I have a couple questions. What is the brand on the evacuator device? Do you think the 505.01 type oil is hype or real damage could be caused by using any other type oil? There are so many diverse opinions on which oil to use that it is very confusing.
#26 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [gagrice #25]
Jul 05, 2004 (9:01 am)
I know you were asking Ruking1, but let me put in a word, Gary. It is indeed critical that owners of the 2004 PD TDI use only the 505.01 oil, as specified by VW. I've read something about the Pumpe Duse injectors having tight tolerances, subject to wear. VW developed the 505.01 oil specifically to meet this need, and they warn that using any other oil could void your warranty! It is a nuisance having to search for this oil, but necessary. I hear that Mobil and Shell have the correct oil available in Europe, but not here - yet. Meanwhile there is the Castrol oil, available only from VW dealers, and there is Motul, available on the internet. Best price I have seen for it lately is $27 for 5 liters. I don't think I'm allowed to give that seller here, but you can find it easily but searching Motul 505.01.
#27 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [gagrice #25]
Jul 05, 2004 (9:27 am)
The one I got was the Mity Vac brand. There are many brands, such as the Pela. Mine happens to be a long cylinder and seems to evacuate faster than others have reported with the other brands. For me the Mity Vac stands in a corner with very little footprint. However, some folks will definitely like the compact app size of a basketball put in the trunk feature of, say like the Pela unit. They are app 15-50 dollars.
For certain! Go with the warranty recommendations of VW spec 505.01. I would, if I were a 2004 PD TDI owner, i.e., Castrol and or Motul, 5w40.
However, my own personal opinion before and after seeing the virgin oil analysis of the VW 505.01 oils such as Castrol and Motul is that it is primarily formulated to make the emissions control portion last longer. If you compare the three oils side by side; (Mobil One Truck and SUV aka) Delvac One (this is a CI-4 specification), Castrol, Motul, the Delvac One seems to have more of the elements of additive package than the Castrol and Motul. I also realize that my own personal opinion is a bit like cursing in church, But truly I am not interested in starting any controversy.
#28 of 4777 Re: So I bought a Jetta TDI ... [ruking1 #27]
Jul 05, 2004 (10:17 am)
Thank you both for the explanation. I doubt I would take a chance for $27 an oil change. I will look at the mity vac. sounds like a cleaner way to change oil. There was so much difference of opinion on oil for my Kubota tractor, I just wondered if this was the same deal.
Jul 05, 2004 (10:40 am)
Actually the oil discussion can get almost to the bizarre! VW (I am certain you have probably read the owners manual and/or technical data) basically adds "fuel to the fire" in regards to oil and oil viscosity!
For the 2004 PD they are almost skitzoid! I have heard more than a few horror stories of VW DEALERS NOT putting in VW 505.01, despite the dire warnings to the contrary. VW dealers of course would be the warranty agent in case of fulfillment on engine warranty!
Again it is important to use the 5w40 oils, again with the proper specifications. I also know that VW 505.01 is "backward compatible" with the 505.00 VW specification, i.e., I can use 505.01 in my 505.00 specified 2003 TDI.
The TDI's also are not up to full PSI till around 60,000 miles. So in a manner of speaking my 33k TDI is still "breaking in" I use the Delvac One 5w40 in light of the long term goal to keep this thing running 500k - 1M miles.
I really think it is only a matter of time before Mobil will get certified for the VW 505.01 specification in the USA. (some of the Mobil brands in Euro are already certified) But truly, I could be wrong.
#30 of 4777 Re: [ruking1 #29]
Jul 05, 2004 (2:00 pm)
Exactly! I would not trust any quick-lube place, or even some VW dealers, to do an oil change. Even if the dealer knows enough to use the correct oil, the kid he hires to do the work may not know, or not care. I even heard recently of some kid at a VW dealer pumping GAS into a diesel fuel tank! Until the diesels become more common, it's better to do your own maintenance in my opinion.