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Volkswagen Jetta, Biodiesel, Diesel, Sedan
#1988 of 4777 Re: 09 Jetta tdi test drive [ruking1]
Jul 23, 2008 (12:32 pm)
Actually in CA, CARB blocked the sale of more than a very limited number of VW TDIs up until 2004 when they cut them off completely. When I tried buying a TDI Beetle in about 2003 the dealer told me their percentage for the year was reached by February IIRC. You are right it was not a conspiracy. It was an outright hatred of diesel cars by the head of CARB. Then the Wannabe states followed in step behind CA. When you eliminate the largest car buying state in the Union it makes it difficult to sell cars. The VW gassers have never been as fuel efficient and some of the others.
I commend VW for perseverance against some pretty heavy hitters in the diesel haters group. So now they have beat the odds and passed the emissions tests. It will be interesting to see how high the oil companies run up the price of diesel. And how much extra the states tax diesel.
#1989 of 4777 VW not worried about the high price of diesel
Jul 23, 2008 (3:56 pm)
One company not so worried, though, is Volkswagen, which is close to delivering Jetta TDI sedans to people who have already put deposits down. Howard Cooper Volkswagen in Ann Arbor, Mich., for example, says that a buyer putting money down today will probably have to wait until January to receive his car. Volkswagen of America plans to sell 15,000 TDI Jettas this year. Next year, VW figures to sell more than 30,000.
The diesel sedan starts at $22,640, including shipping, and the station wagon at $24,240, a premium of about $2,000 over a similarly equipped model with a gasoline engine.
Jul 23, 2008 (5:25 pm)
By the time VW ramps up production to sell any TDIs in real numbers, gas and diesel will be back down again to the point of it not justifying any premium, and maybe even may require a discount, to sell them.
It's a fickle thing.
#1991 of 4777 Re: [hebrewhammer]
Jul 23, 2008 (5:52 pm)
You might be right, but I'm some what skeptical.
#1992 of 4777 Re: 09 Jetta tdi test drive [gagrice]
Jul 23, 2008 (6:07 pm)
Look man the state is pressured by the lobbyists, and by those knuckle heads environmentalists. The state does not pass a law because they like gasoline and hate diesel cars. This country was so focused on horsepower and big SUVs. Just in 2001 the price of gasoline was $1.35 a gallon, today the price went beyond $4/gallon. Priorities of the buyers have changed, They donít want to race anymore on the highway, they want fuel efficiency. Diesel in this country is taxed higher than gasoline by the federal government and by the states, and the reason was that only commercial vehicles use this fuel, and they can pass the cost back to the customers. This just one of the tricks the government use. Instead of raising taxes directly on people, they prefer to do it this way by raising the taxes on diesel. If more people were buying Diesel cars, government could not chose this method because they risk to lose their jobs during the election.
#1993 of 4777 Re: 09 Jetta tdi test drive [malmouza]
Jul 23, 2008 (8:10 pm)
I agree with almost everything you have said. I am not sure about the racing. I see young people driving like they owned the gas station around here. Even in big lifted PU trucks and SUVs.
I still hope that VW diesels make inroads in the market to save fossil fuel. I would never buy a gas VW. Just keep my current gas hogs.
#1995 of 4777 Re: 09 Jetta tdi test drive [gagrice]
Jul 24, 2008 (10:14 am)
There is a good news today for the Jetta diesel, $1300 credit from the IRS, it qualify as for the Advanced Lean Burn Technology Motor Vehicle income tax credit. But the good news is followed by a bad news, I just talked to two dealers in my area, and they are adding $1000 that they are calling it prep work needed at the delivery time. There you have it. http://www.autobloggreen.com/category/diesel/
#1996 of 4777 Re: 09 Jetta tdi test drive [malmouza]
Jul 24, 2008 (10:28 am)
Why would you even call the dealer if you're not interested? When the phone stops ringing, they'll stop trying charge premiums. Pretty much every brand does this on hot models, so you can't blame them too much. I suppose the fact that they CAN sell them at such premium should tell you something about demand....but it will wane just like every other vehicle. Then the price conscious customers like myself (and I'm guessing you) can go and buy them for a more realistic price.
#1997 of 4777 Re: 09 Jetta tdi test drive [malmouza]
Jul 24, 2008 (10:43 am)
I just talked to two dealers in my area, and they are adding $1000 that they are calling it prep work needed at the delivery time.
Another example of gov't unintended consequences.