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#1661 of 4777 potential VW 2005 jetta tdi owner
Jan 23, 2008 (5:20 pm)
I test drove a 2005 jetta tdi standard yesterday. First time ever driving a vw. Man was I impressed. I have always owned Honda and was set on an 08 civic but am seriously considering buying the tdi. The wife works about 100km from work (round trip) + all the running around with the kids activitys, I figure 120-130 km a day. The forums that I have been reading are always mentioning the fuel efficiency. Works for me. I did notice a post earlier were it was mentioned to rev to between 3&5 thousand rpm before shifting and that diesels like to be run a little hard and hot.
Any comments or suggestions about buying a VW would be helpful.
P.S. the dealer was great. They let me take the car for 24 hours to drive it and experience the car, knowing that I might not even buy the thing. It's sitting in my garage right now. lol. I think they know I want it.
Thanks in advance.
First time poster.
#1662 of 4777 Re: potential VW 2005 jetta tdi owner [michael1964]
Jan 24, 2008 (4:43 am)
My advice I offer all potential TDI owners is this...If you're going to rely on a VW dealer for service/repair, you may not be a happy camper. If you can maintain the vehicle yourself or have a good independent TDI specialist nearby and are very meticulously with the maintenance....you'll never want another vehicle. I find many Honda owners to be the type that are only interested in ubber-reliability which may or may not happen with a TDI. And a preowned one is a scary situation because if the previous owner was not meticulous with maintenance it may cause major problems down the road.
That being said....I also own a Honda Odyssey and for a few months last year owned an '07 Civic EX. My '00 Jetta TDI was totaled after over 160k miles of nearly flawless service and was my favorite vehicle ever. It never visited a dealer and all maintenance/repairs were made by yours truly. The Civic is a very different animal and personally was just not right for me. My Odyssey has been pretty reliable and the Honda dealer is very good near me (360° from my Toyota dealer). I would buy a used TDI in a heart-beat IF I personally knew the history/owner/etc. Knowing what I know about TDI's I could never just walk onto a lot and buy a used one. They're a finicky vehicle and many pre-owned ones were test subjects of Toyota/Honda owners. They have the dealers perform the service and after a couple small problems that the dealers screwed up the repairs (or charged them a ridiculous amount) they dump them and run back to Honda/Toyota. Read back through these threads (and other TDI sites) and you'll find tons of stories of dealerships that just have no clue how to service TDI's and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
#1663 of 4777 2002 Jetta TDI - fuses ?????
Jan 24, 2008 (9:42 am)
My radio wouldn't turn on this morning. The first thing I wanted to check was the fuse. I looked at the "fuse card" and can't tell which fuse is for the radio. Any idea where I might be able to get that information? Thanks.
#1664 of 4777 Re: potential VW 2005 jetta tdi owner [sebring95]
Jan 24, 2008 (11:41 am)
test drove the civic again today and the ride quality of the vw is still my preference.
The previous owner of the jetta was an older couple who had the vehicle serviced at a local vw dealer. There is only 37000 km on it. There are so many positives about the civic,new,full warranty,0km, however the fuel economy in the jetta might out way the positives in the civic.
#1665 of 4777 Re: potential VW 2005 jetta tdi owner [michael1964]
Jan 24, 2008 (12:36 pm)
Two things I'd be scared of...make that three. Low mileage tdi, driven by old people, and serviced by dealer. That's a bunged up trifecta there. I'd prefer one with 100k miles driven by Mario Andretti if it was serviced by someone that had a clue what they were doing.
Easy driving will gunk up the intake on a TDI and it's an elaborate process to clean it out. I've heard of dealers charging $500-$600 to do this but I helped a guy (car bought used.....) do it in a few hours. Either way, it can easily be prevented by just driving the thing and not babying it. Not using the correct oil is a big no-no and there's many documented cases where dealers aren't using the correct oil and/or the LOF guy just doesn't know/care. And 37,000km in three years???
I had several major complaints with my short-term '07 Civic. One, the seats just killed me no matter what I did with them. That's a subjective issue and I'm sure most folks don't have that problem or everyone would be ditching them. It was the main reason I bailed on it. Second, the car has zero torque which wore thin on my nerves after awhile. I drive in the mountains a lot and hills that I could accelerate up in 5th gear with the tdi required holy-crap rpms just to try and maintain speed. Got old quick. And finally, driving my typical 75-80mph resulted in a mere 28-30mpg. The good news is the Civic suspension/steering/feel doesn't urge you to drive that fast so you'll likely find yourself putt-putting along at a more leisure speed. I was averaging 35mpg overall keeping it in the 70mph range on the highway. My TDI would average 45mpg with highway speeds in the 75-80mph range and overall far more aggressive driving.
I'm actually looking (more proactive than active) for a used '05.5 or '06 TDI that was owned by a diesel geek. Very hard to find because the types that actually take care of these cars don't usually get out of them unless they're forced. I actually bought my '00 used from a guy that lost his job and just had to sell it.
There are other small fuel efficient choices out there that aren't quite as dull as a Civic. I went the Civic route only because I knew I'd only need it short-term (although I was thinking a year or so...) and had the chance to buy an '07 for under invoice. They typically get close to MSRP for them which worked to my favor a couple months later. Also keep in mind how many miles you drive will calculate into your decision. If you only drive 12k miles a year, the difference between 35mpg and 45mpg is only $200.
#1666 of 4777 Re: coolant loss 04 jetta tdi [vin]
Jan 24, 2008 (1:55 pm)
I have a 2004 Jetta TDI that had the same issue. They changed the same cooler and the leak stopped so far. It's been over a month. The Thermostat was stuck part way open which was just ducky, too. The issue started about 120 000km.... just as the warranty ran out. Cool stuff eh?
#1667 of 4777 Re: potential VW 2005 jetta tdi owner [michael1964]
Jan 24, 2008 (4:13 pm)
Get the TDI. I bought one used from a small dealer (not VW) in 2003. 46K on it. Did a complete service on it right after I bought it to bring everything up to standard. Still driving it, now has 183K on the odometer. I expect to get 300K out of it. The fluids and filters you can do yourself. Read through the FAQ at TDIclub.com to get an idea of how to do it. TDIparts.com is a good source for what you'll need. Timing belt is the one item you will need done by a mechanic who knows what he is doing.
#1668 of 4777 Re: potential VW 2005 jetta tdi owner [michael1964]
Jan 24, 2008 (4:30 pm)
One other item I should mention. Fuel additive. I use Powerservice Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost. 4oz in every tank. Available at Wal-Mart. Not expensive and well worth the cost. If you are in an area where the temperature goes below 20F you'll want to use Diesel Supplement. Diesel will gel below 20F, DS has an anti-gel in the blend. If Powerservice not available, check auto parts stores. They should have something comparable.
#1669 of 4777 Sluggish '05 TDI
Jan 25, 2008 (6:13 pm)
I've noticed that over the last few month my '05 TDI (old body) has been very sluggish at RPM's above 2000. I have almost 0 passing power. I tried using fuel additives, which helps but only short term. I've also experimented with fuel from different sources, also with no help. I've got an appt. with the dealership for next week, but just wondering if anyone else has experienced anything similar and what possible causes there could be.
The car has just over 30,000mi on it, and I've kept up on oil changes (with 505.01 approved oil) and even changed the air filter 2 times in the last 20k miles.
#1670 of 4777 Re: Sluggish '05 TDI [inlarry]
Jan 26, 2008 (6:46 am)
leisure suit inlarry, fuel filter? Seems like the 20k fuel filter interval is a bit optimistic - one half-crappy batch of fuel my 06 has no power on the highway, and maybe stumbles too. (is yours stumbling or very smoothly having no power?)
some TDIs were prone to MAF issues that would give the symptom you describe. a test for that is to unplug the MAF - if performance improves than a new MAF is necessary.
also, sounds like your car is under warranty - why not let the dealer have an actual mechanic try diagnosing?