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Re: Elantra v Prius [stevedebi] by backy
Aug 03, 2004 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 03, 2004 3:33 pm)

Wouldn't the CR-V use even more "vertical space" than the Prius? I've looked at the square footage of the CR-V compared to hatchbacks like the Prius, Elantra, and Mazda6, and the CR-V didn't seem to have as much.
 
The rear seats of the Prius do not recline. But you don't really want to compare the options list of the CR-V vs. the Prius, do you?
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Re: Elantra v Prius [stevedebi] by tempusvn
Aug 03, 2004 (3:59 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 03, 2004 3:33 pm)

"Of course, the CR-V is one of those hated "SUVs"... though it probably gets about the same MPG as a Crown Vic (I get 27 MPG highway)."
 
Are you seriously suggesting that the Ride Quality of a CR-V is comparable to a Crown Vic? Or even any of the other Sedans compared? The comparison was about Comfort as well as Space.
 
If you have that many extra kidneys to spare, I'm sure there are some folks out there that would be happy to hear from you.
 
If you want space your CR-V can't hold a candle to a Scion XB or Element, but I wouldn't want to go cross country in either of them, even though they get decent mileage.
 
And, for the record, the Prius also has some serious length, as well as height. The Front Passenger Seat folds down flush, so you can carry a stack of 8' 2x4s with the hatch closed. I can't be 100% sure, but I have a strong suspicion the CR-V would fail that test.
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Re: Elantra v Prius [tempusvn] by stevedebi
Aug 03, 2004 (4:37 pm)

Replying to: tempusvn (Aug 03, 2004 3:59 pm)

"If you have that many extra kidneys to spare, I'm sure there are some folks out there that would be happy to hear from you."
 
I take it you have never gone cross country in a CR-V. It is quite comfortable. It is not a Crown Vic, and isn't supposed to be, but it is very good on a long haul. I have driven it for 11 hours straight (except for pit stops, that is).
 
"If you want space your CR-V can't hold a candle to a Scion XB or Element, but I wouldn't want to go cross country in either of them, even though they get decent mileage."
 
Can't speak to the Scion XB, but the CR-V has more capacity than the Element. I cross shopped them.
 
"And, for the record, the Prius also has some serious length, as well as height. The Front Passenger Seat folds down flush, so you can carry a stack of 8' 2x4s with the hatch closed. I can't be 100% sure, but I have a strong suspicion the CR-V would fail that test."
 
Never tried it myself, but I suspect CR-V could handle that... or open the hatch glass, which is separate from the rear door. But we were referring to 4 passengers and luggage...
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Re: Elantra v Prius [tempusvn] by john1701a
Aug 03, 2004 (4:38 pm)

Replying to: tempusvn (Aug 03, 2004 3:59 pm)

> you can carry a stack of 8' 2x4s with the hatch closed
 
Actually, you can carry 10' 2x4s. I have photos to prove it!
 
(Hint: you gain that extra length by laying them on the dashboard.)
 
JOHN
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Re: Elantra v Prius [john1701a] by stevedebi
Aug 03, 2004 (4:41 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Aug 03, 2004 4:38 pm)

I was thinking of the dash myself...
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Re: Elantra v Prius [john1701a] by gagrice
Aug 03, 2004 (8:14 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Aug 03, 2004 4:38 pm)

I can haul a stack of 12 foot 2"x12" and a 12 sheets of plywood in my Suburban with the doors shut. I wonder if I could get a Prius back there. For many people an SUV is just more practical and those that don't like them need to "Just get Over It"
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Re: Elantra v Prius [gagrice] by john1701a
Aug 04, 2004 (4:49 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 03, 2004 8:14 pm)

> For many people an SUV is just more practical
 
Are you going to tell everyone that the interior of a full-size conversion van is even bigger and even more practical?
 
Minivans, like the new Sienna, are quite impressive now too... and far more fuel efficient.
 
JOHN
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SUV v MV v Prius [john1701a] by gagrice
Aug 04, 2004 (5:50 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Aug 04, 2004 4:49 am)

Not sure what a conversion van has to do with an SUV. IMO Mini Vans are a hazard to those driving them. I would not put my children in one. And the gas savings is insignificant. And in the case of the Diesel Excursion, owners are reporting better mileage 18/25 mpg, NO comparison in safety. The number ONE thing to me is Mine and My families safety. All the other things, conservation, environment, other people are a distant 2nd to My family. If you feel otherwise that is your choice. If they ever get the problems ironed out of the Prius it will be a reasonable commuter car for those that travel a lot. Still not economical when you look at the big picture. If you like lots of gadgets in your car, it is cool. Otherwise it is a waste of money.
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Van Conversion v Prius [john1701a] by gagrice
Aug 04, 2004 (5:58 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Aug 04, 2004 4:49 am)

Are you going to tell everyone that the interior of a full-size conversion van is even bigger and even more practical?
 
I can show you a van conversion at the AirStream dealer half a mile from my house. It is bigger than my Suburban by a lot and gets 22/29 mpg. It is built into the very fine Sprinter Van with a Mercedes diesel engine. If you are looking for a vehicle to go traveling and carry your home with you, that is a great choice. I would not want to commute to work in one, that's just me. I'm not sure why you are comparing it to the Prius but that is just You.
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Re: SUV v MV v Prius [gagrice] by stevedebi
Aug 04, 2004 (9:13 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 04, 2004 5:50 am)

I didn't consider a larger car because to two things:
 
1. Cost. Those Excursions are expensive, and the diesel (which is the only way to go) is another 4K or so.
2. Size. I find them to be very difficult to maneuver and (especially) park.
3. I prefer a more nimble vehicle, since more than once I have avoided accidents by quick actions (by me) and reactions (from the car). A 6000 lb vehicle has a log of inertia to overcome.
 
Note that these are the only reasons I didn't buy one. I agree that the family is the most important thing, and I require that my cars have high safety ratings in both the Highway Institute and the government tests...
 
Other people would point out (correctly) that vehicles meet crash standards only against their own weight class, and that if all vehicles were smaller and ligher your family would still be protected just as well.
 
Unless you want to drive an M-1, that is... but they get 3 gallons per mile. Talk about your environmental nightmare...

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