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Re: Diesel Fuel [ruking1 #3325] by highender
Jun 23, 2004 (8:24 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2004 8:02 am)

yeah for both the diesels and hybrids...
 
and the SUVs for whatever purpose you need or want.
 
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Re: Diesel Fuel [john1701a #3327] by midnightcowboy
Jun 23, 2004 (9:46 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Jun 23, 2004 8:17 am)

>> Also you won't find a new Corolla for $12k
 
>I saw one at the dealer today for $19,595.
 
>It was the Corolla SRX without an automatic transmission.
 
>JOHN
 
You can find new basic model 2004 and 2005 Corollas for around 12-13K, a few 2004 CEs are less than $12K
 
The Corolla SRX that you mention is incorrect. You actually meant a 2005 Corolla XRS which is the performance version with the 170 horsepower engine, the same as in the Matrix XRS and the Celica GTS. It is for driving enthusiasts and comes only in a 6-speed manual, the same as the Matrix XRS. However, in the Celica version you can get and automatic.
 
YMMV,
 
MidCow
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Re: Diesel Fuel [backy #3322] by midnightcowboy
Jun 23, 2004 (9:58 am)

Replying to: backy (Jun 23, 2004 7:32 am)

>Also you won't find a new Corolla for $12k.
>You might find a basic one for $14k
 
WRONG!
Everyday in the Houston Chronicle:
 
You can find new basic model 2004 and 2005 Corollas for around 12-13K, a few 2004 CEs are less than $12K
 
The basic model does not have ABS, but is does include:
 
DRL (daytime running Lights) - Prius doesn't have this!
32/40 mpg (manual transmission 0-60 mpg in 8.5 seconds)
external temperature display
tachometer -Prius doesn't have this
power mirrors
tilt-adjustable steering wheel
air conditioning
 
Cruise control, ABS brakes, sunroof and power remote locks are options.
 
The Corolla makes a very nice economy car with good acceleration and good miles per gallon at a price less than half the Prius.
 
YMMV,
 
MidCow
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Re: Diesel Fuel [midnightcowboy #3332] by john1701a
Jun 23, 2004 (10:12 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jun 23, 2004 9:46 am)

> You can find new basic model
 
You can order a basic model (which is rather well loaded) of Prius too.
 
So why are some people insisting that comparing the lowest cost Corolla to a every-tech-item-possible Prius is appropriate? They are opposite extremes.
 
JOHN
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Re: Diesel Fuel [john1701a #3327] by midnightcowboy
Jun 23, 2004 (10:17 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Jun 23, 2004 8:17 am)

>> Also you won't find a new Corolla for $12k
 
>I saw one at the dealer today for $19,595.
 
>It was the Corolla SRX without an automatic transmission.
 
>JOHN
 
You can find new basic model 2004 and 2005 Corollas for around 12-13K, a few 2004 CEs are less than $12K
 
The Corolla SRX that you mention is incorrect. You actually meant a 2005 Corolla XRS which is the performance version with the 170 horsepower engine, the same as in the Matrix XRS and the Celica GTS. It is for driving enthusiasts and comes only in a 6-speed manual, the same as the Matrix XRS. However, in the Celica version you can get and automatic.
 
YMMV,
 
MidCow
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Re: Diesel Fuel [john1701a #3336] by midnightcowboy
Jun 23, 2004 (10:27 am)

Replying to: john1701a (Jun 23, 2004 10:12 am)

Okay lowest Corolla $11,800 (actual cost you can buy for after $1,000 rebate)
 
To lowest Prius $20,810
 
The Corolla is $9,010 less.
 
Anyway you slice it if you are looking for a reliable (i.e. Toyota) car and you are concerned about miles per gallon and Total Cost of Ownership, then the only obvious answer is the Corolla. $9,000 buys a whole lot of gas!
 
Both are economy cars: the Prius is on steriods with tech options and is classified as a midsize only barely and only because of its hatch back design.
 
And the Prius only comes with an automatic. If you want or need a manual transmission, you can get one in the Corolla!
 
YMMV,
 
MidCow
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Re: Diesel Fuel [midnightcowboy #3339] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2004 (10:42 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jun 23, 2004 10:27 am)

"$9,000 buys a whole lot of gas!" I would agree with that!
 
1.59 for #2 diesel and 1.95 unleaded gas:
 
this converts to 4,615 gals and at 38 mpg that is 175,384 miles!
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Re: Diesel Fuel [midnightcowboy #3337] by djasonw
Jun 23, 2004 (10:43 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jun 23, 2004 10:17 am)

Midcow... maybe that's the car you should get! You'd save a ton of money and then you can wear the following T-Shirt.
 
MY WIFE BOUGHT ME
THIS BORING BUT
ECONOMICAL CAR
 
Oh.. one more thing.. why would you want a TACH in a Prius with a CVT? It serves NO purpose at all. I can't remember the last time I looked at a TACH in a car with automatic.
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Re: Diesel Fuel [djasonw #3341] by ruking1
Jun 23, 2004 (10:46 am)

Replying to: djasonw (Jun 23, 2004 10:43 am)

To keep from being bored?
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Re: Diesel Fuel [djasonw #3341] by midnightcowboy
Jun 23, 2004 (11:03 am)

Replying to: djasonw (Jun 23, 2004 10:43 am)

>Oh.. one more thing.. why would you want
>a TACH in a Prius with a CVT? It serves
>NO purpose at all. I can't remember the
>last time I looked at a TACH in a car with automatic.
 
How much real information does the cartoon on the Prius multi-display console provide when it shows the schematic of the ICE, MG1, MG2, Battery and wheels, when it shows sources and users of power.
 
Are you advocating that tachometers be eliminated from all automatics. What about tiptronic shifting? Oh Yeah! I forgot, they won't let you exceed red-line; electronic protection.
 
Where can I get the T-Shirt ?
 
YMMV,
 
MidCow
 
P.S.- That is probably why the boss hasn't given me approval to buy a car

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