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#384 of 393 Re: And when the battery's Empty? [midnightcowboy] by backy Mar 17, 2005 (3:36 pm)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 17, 2005 1:44 pm) OK, I guess there are lots of times you will climb a mountain, then at the top (before you've gone downhill and recharged the battery), you need to floor the accelerator do a full-throttle 0-60. That happens all the time, right?
#385 of 393 Woah Nellie! ... Don't Put Words in My Mouth by midnightcowboy Mar 18, 2005 (8:05 am)
You asked how a battery could get completlely discharged and I stated: 'up a hill , mountain or incline.'   I said absolutely nothing about what you would do with the car following a depleted battery. I said nothing about flooring the accelerator or doing a full throttle 0-60 mph on a depleated battery.   However, as pointed out before, maybe too subtlely, when you have a depleated battery state, then you are vulnerable to extremely poor acceleration and potentially this could be a safety factor.   Again, I was only answering the question "How could one ever get a fully depleated battery?"   YMMV,   MidCow   P.S.- My Honda battery just gave out and I had to get it replaced $21 with tax and installation. Now I can start my 5-speed , becuase it is mowing season and the grass needs to be cut Replies to this message: backy (Mar 18, 2005 9:38 pm)
#386 of 393 Re: Woah Nellie! ... Don't Put Words in My Mouth [midnightcowboy] by backy Mar 18, 2005 (9:38 pm)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 18, 2005 8:05 am) I didn't mean to imply you said anything about flooring the accelerator or doing a full-throttle 0-60 on a depleted battery. But that's exactly what MT did in their tests with a depleted battery--did full-bore 0-60 tests. I was just questioning how realistic that is. Especially in the Midwest, where even big hills are few and far between. From reading the hybrid discussions here for the past couple of years, I get the impression a fully depleted battery is very uncommon under normal driving conditions.
#387 of 393 depleted battery--did full-bore 0-60 tests. I was just questioning how real by electrictroy Mar 24, 2005 (10:16 am)
How realistic are 0-60 numbers, period?   troy Replies to this message: backy (Mar 24, 2005 11:19 am) gagrice (Mar 24, 2005 11:37 am)
#388 of 393 Re: depleted battery--did full-bore 0-60 tests. I was just questioning how real [electrictroy] by backy Mar 24, 2005 (11:19 am)
Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 24, 2005 10:16 am) Good point. How often does someone really need to go 0-60 at full throttle? I can count on one hand, with fingers left over, the times I've done that that in over 30 years of driving. And I'll bet I really didn't have to do it, when it comes down to it. Passing acceleration is more important in the real world, I think. Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 24, 2005 11:37 am)
#389 of 393 Re: depleted battery--did full-bore 0-60 tests. I was just questioning how real [backy] by gagrice Mar 24, 2005 (11:37 am)
Replying to: backy (Mar 24, 2005 11:19 am) I totally agree with both of you on this one. I guess that is why I question all the hoopla over high powered hybrids. The HAH has as much HP as my Suburban, that is twice the weight. A Waste of energy IMO.
#391 of 393 A note about car magazines by misterme Mar 25, 2005 (7:20 pm)
When I was researching hybrid vehicles back in '03 my father showed me a car magazine, I don't recall if it were C&D, R&T (etc) but it had a 3-1/2 page review on the Prius and the HSD system. The review was mostly glowing, but also noted some minor "issues".   My confidence in car magazines "unbiased" reviews was shattered when I read, in magnifying lens type: "Paid Toyota Advertisement" I thought it interesting that they'd toss in a few quirks to make it look like a legitimate review.   I'm sure all car MFG's do this, and the magazines make a killing. To me, these magazine reviews are nearly meaningless since they're often paid off. Replies to this message: backy (Mar 25, 2005 8:26 pm)
#392 of 393 Re: A note about car magazines [misterme] by backy Mar 25, 2005 (8:26 pm)
Replying to: misterme (Mar 25, 2005 7:20 pm) This clearly wasn't a magazine review. It was an ad. Companies do this kind of advertising all the time in magazines, and not just with cars.   Anyway, all reviews in car magazines are biased in one way or the other, depending on the bias of the editors of the magazine. The better mags, like C/D, at least are honest and upfront about their biases.   If you want to read car reviews in a magazine that has no support by third-party advertisers, there's always Consumer Reports. Which, by the way, (to try to get back on topic), is very favorable towards the Prius.
#393 of 393 OK - back on track by Sylvia STAFF Mar 28, 2005 (7:51 am)
There was a discussion about Consumer Reports and other car mags in the News & Views board. I'll see if we can't get that revived if you want to continue to debate how car mags operate.   Thanks!

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