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Re: Toyota Prius v. ??? (fill in the comparison) [backy] by electrictroy
Mar 15, 2005 (12:42 pm)

Replying to: backy (Mar 10, 2005 1:54 pm)

HCH 5-speed: 11.9 secs. (charge?)
Prius: 10.2 secs. (full charge)
  
Perhaps the Civic "feels" quicker because its smaller engine revs higher
 
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Yeah well, that's what I said. Civic FEELS faster, and that's why I prefer it. I prefer manual shifting too.
 
However, I dispute your numbers. Car&Driver tests (fully charged) show:
Civic cvt = 11.0
Prius cvt = 11.3
 
Essentially Equal.
 
Troy
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Re: Toyota Prius v. ??? (fill in the comparison) [electrictroy] by backy
Mar 15, 2005 (2:20 pm)

Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 15, 2005 12:42 pm)

You can dispute the numbers all you want, but they are not MY numbers, but Motor Trends. Write them a letter if you want.
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I can help settle this dispute.... by larsb
Mar 15, 2005 (2:40 pm)
I have an HCH 5-speed....Anyone in a Prius want to meet me somewhere in Phoenix for a 0-60 drag race?
 
Bring It On, Hybrid Synergy Boys !!!
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And when the battery's Empty? by electrictroy
Mar 17, 2005 (7:28 am)
Thanks for pointing out Motor Trend. Look at their 0-60 figures for an empty battery:
 
CIVIC = 12.8
PRIUS = 15.0
 
troy
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Re: And when the battery's Empty? [electrictroy] by backy
Mar 17, 2005 (11:20 am)

Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 17, 2005 7:28 am)

Under what real-world conditions would anyone be driving a Civic hybrid or Prius with an empty battery?
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shrug by electrictroy
Mar 17, 2005 (12:05 pm)
Whatever.
 
I said I prefer the manual shift. Prius doesn't have manual. So it's obvious I wouldn't pick it.
 
troy
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Re: And when the battery's Empty? [backy] by stevedebi
Mar 17, 2005 (1:33 pm)

Replying to: backy (Mar 17, 2005 11:20 am)

"Under what real-world conditions would anyone be driving a Civic hybrid or Prius with an empty battery?"
 
We should note that is a depleted battery, not empty. The Prius won't even start if the battery is below 20%.
 
The HCH, of course, will just run more slowly.
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Re: shrug [electrictroy] by midnightcowboy
Mar 17, 2005 (1:36 pm)

Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 17, 2005 12:05 pm)

Troy,
 
I'm with you all the way, manual shift only for me. BTW aren't you an EE also ?
 
Cheers,
 
MidCow
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Re: And when the battery's Empty? [stevedebi] by midnightcowboy
Mar 17, 2005 (1:44 pm)

Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 17, 2005 1:33 pm)

Hills, Mountains and inclines come to mind! It is hard to flatten out the Rockies, it they happen to be in your trip path.
 
And then ,there is the potential future problem, Battery failure! Maybe just a cel or module, but failure of the traction battery system. Most cars are too new to experince this yet, but fast forwre to 2010 or 2015 and this will be a big discussion topic.
 
In fact, you might not see a total failure, but you might eperince the partial charge sysndrome, wherby the traction battery under the best hyper mileage conditions will only maintain a partial charge, maybe 90%, maybe 80%, Maybe 70%. who knows. If so, then maybe it would deplete under normal driving.
 
Anyway why worry, if it happens it happens, I heard one Prius advocate expounds that the battery will last for ever becuase it is almost never used! Maybe it will and maybe it won't
 
Good Luck and best of wishes,
 
MidCow the Manual Shift Man
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Re: And when the battery's Empty? [midnightcowboy] by backy
Mar 17, 2005 (3:36 pm)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 17, 2005 1:44 pm)

OK, I guess there are lots of times you will climb a mountain, then at the top (before you've gone downhill and recharged the battery), you need to floor the accelerator do a full-throttle 0-60. That happens all the time, right?

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