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Re: [gagrice]WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT? [railroadjames] [gagrice] [backy] [gagrice] by midnightcowboy
Mar 14, 2005 (8:27 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 12, 2005 10:12 pm)

The 250,000 was the total number of CR respondents for ALL vehicles, not just the lowly Prius!
 
Actually, CR is one of the better indicators of vehicle problems and relaibility. If you don't like it what do you gauge your opinion or thoughts on? JD Powers does pretty good on intitial quality. NHSTA does pretty good on out-and-out failure recalls. There is no perfect source; that is the reason for a valid statistical sample , with distibution and stnadard deviation, etc. Look at any polling or predicition theory. It not as simple as perfect hindsight, because we can't say that a traction battery will last 8.123 years with a standard deviation of 1.32 years yet. In ten years you will be able to go back and make as exact of statement as you want. For example who could have predicted that the USA civil war was going to last from 4:30 am April 12, 1861 through April 9, 1865 (hh:mm ?)
 
Cheers,
 
MidCow - you have to understand statistics to be able to predict the future. Anyone, can predict the past.
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Re: [gagrice]WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT? [railroadjames] [gagrice] [backy] [gagrice] [midnightcowboy] by gagrice
Mar 14, 2005 (11:58 am)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 14, 2005 8:27 am)

If you don't like it what do you gauge your opinion or thoughts on?
 
Any number of forums, and especially Edmunds, that have REAL live people giving their experiences with their vehicles. Not a nameless, faceless number purported to represent Real owners of real vehicles put out by CR, a company I consider suspect in their agenda. I have no opinion on JD Powers never have read one of their reports. I have said this before. I consider your opinion & the opinions of the other posters much better real time information than magazine and statistical data from people that get paid to present information.
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Actually .... by midnightcowboy
Mar 14, 2005 (12:52 pm)
Real Opinions and experiences, such as the Edmunds forum, are good input. But,Consumer Reports is probably more accurate, only because it is a better overall statistically correct sample.
 
I never buy anything based on only testimonial advertising; now those people are really paid and are really the exceptions. Biggest example that comes to mind is the bow-flex grandmother.
 
Good luck everyone !
 
MidCow
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[midnightcowboy]Critic Magazines & C.R. Do A Good Job by railroadjames
Mar 14, 2005 (8:56 pm)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 14, 2005 12:52 pm)

I gotta agree MidCow......Good point.
Also Awards say quite abit about a car too. Prius has just about cleaned house in that department. Then there's the other websites that add to more info. to help a potential buyer decide on a purchase.
Culliganman(the more ya know, the more ya know)
P.S. MotorWeek is another avenue.
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Re: Toyota Prius v. ??? (fill in the comparison) [backy] by electrictroy
Mar 15, 2005 (12:42 pm)

Replying to: backy (Mar 10, 2005 1:54 pm)

HCH 5-speed: 11.9 secs. (charge?)
Prius: 10.2 secs. (full charge)
  
Perhaps the Civic "feels" quicker because its smaller engine revs higher
 
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Yeah well, that's what I said. Civic FEELS faster, and that's why I prefer it. I prefer manual shifting too.
 
However, I dispute your numbers. Car&Driver tests (fully charged) show:
Civic cvt = 11.0
Prius cvt = 11.3
 
Essentially Equal.
 
Troy
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Re: Toyota Prius v. ??? (fill in the comparison) [electrictroy] by backy
Mar 15, 2005 (2:20 pm)

Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 15, 2005 12:42 pm)

You can dispute the numbers all you want, but they are not MY numbers, but Motor Trends. Write them a letter if you want.
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I can help settle this dispute.... by larsb
Mar 15, 2005 (2:40 pm)
I have an HCH 5-speed....Anyone in a Prius want to meet me somewhere in Phoenix for a 0-60 drag race?
 
Bring It On, Hybrid Synergy Boys !!!
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And when the battery's Empty? by electrictroy
Mar 17, 2005 (7:28 am)
Thanks for pointing out Motor Trend. Look at their 0-60 figures for an empty battery:
 
CIVIC = 12.8
PRIUS = 15.0
 
troy
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Re: And when the battery's Empty? [electrictroy] by backy
Mar 17, 2005 (11:20 am)

Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 17, 2005 7:28 am)

Under what real-world conditions would anyone be driving a Civic hybrid or Prius with an empty battery?
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shrug by electrictroy
Mar 17, 2005 (12:05 pm)
Whatever.
 
I said I prefer the manual shift. Prius doesn't have manual. So it's obvious I wouldn't pick it.
 
troy

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