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#368 of 393 Re: Prius vs Malibu Maxx [gagrice] by backy Mar 13, 2005 (1:40 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Mar 13, 2005 11:59 am) I agree, the Maxx is a good comparo to the Prius, since both are 5-passenger hatchbacks. I looked at both closely when buying a hatchback last year. The Maxx tops the Prius in rear-seat legroom (although the Prius is no slouch there), has a little more room in the cargo compartment, and has some options the Prius does not such as rear-seat DVD and OnStar. The main reasons I took the Maxx off my list is that I didn't need the extra rear-seat legroom and cargo space (Prius had enough for my needs), and the small price premium of the Prius ('04 pkg 3) compared to the V6 Maxx with comparable equipment would be more than made up by fuel savings, considering most of the miles would be around-town driving where the Prius really shines vs. a V6. But the Maxx is a nice car, Chevy's best I think.
#369 of 393 RE: The resale of the Prius - xcel by drfill Mar 13, 2005 (4:35 pm)
Try getting a 2004 $25k Prius for $17k      Those things are like Mini Coopers! You are paying over $20k, no doubt!      Sales have skyrocketed this year for Prius! I guess the supply boats are in.      DrFill Replies to this message: xcel (Mar 13, 2005 11:25 pm)
#370 of 393 RE: The resale of the Prius - xcel [callmedrfill] by xcel Mar 13, 2005 (11:25 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Mar 13, 2005 4:35 pm) Hi Callmedrfill:         The KBB prices quoted above are TIV’s. You will more then likely receive less if you were trading in an 04 Prius II or Malibu Maxx w/ $15K on the clock. PP and Retail are altogether different but the delta’s are still there. If you want to bring the Accord into the discussion, it trumps everything in this discussion in terms of holding value …         Good Luck         Wayne R. Gerdes
#371 of 393 Re: [gagrice]WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT? [railroadjames] [gagrice] [backy] [gagrice] by midnightcowboy Mar 14, 2005 (8:27 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Mar 12, 2005 10:12 pm) The 250,000 was the total number of CR respondents for ALL vehicles, not just the lowly Prius!   Actually, CR is one of the better indicators of vehicle problems and relaibility. If you don't like it what do you gauge your opinion or thoughts on? JD Powers does pretty good on intitial quality. NHSTA does pretty good on out-and-out failure recalls. There is no perfect source; that is the reason for a valid statistical sample , with distibution and stnadard deviation, etc. Look at any polling or predicition theory. It not as simple as perfect hindsight, because we can't say that a traction battery will last 8.123 years with a standard deviation of 1.32 years yet. In ten years you will be able to go back and make as exact of statement as you want. For example who could have predicted that the USA civil war was going to last from 4:30 am April 12, 1861 through April 9, 1865 (hh:mm ?)   Cheers,   MidCow - you have to understand statistics to be able to predict the future. Anyone, can predict the past. Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 14, 2005 11:58 am)
#372 of 393 Re: [gagrice]WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT? [railroadjames] [gagrice] [backy] [gagrice] [midnightcowboy] by gagrice Mar 14, 2005 (11:58 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 14, 2005 8:27 am) If you don't like it what do you gauge your opinion or thoughts on?   Any number of forums, and especially Edmunds, that have REAL live people giving their experiences with their vehicles. Not a nameless, faceless number purported to represent Real owners of real vehicles put out by CR, a company I consider suspect in their agenda. I have no opinion on JD Powers never have read one of their reports. I have said this before. I consider your opinion & the opinions of the other posters much better real time information than magazine and statistical data from people that get paid to present information.
#373 of 393 Actually .... by midnightcowboy Mar 14, 2005 (12:52 pm)
Real Opinions and experiences, such as the Edmunds forum, are good input. But,Consumer Reports is probably more accurate, only because it is a better overall statistically correct sample.   I never buy anything based on only testimonial advertising; now those people are really paid and are really the exceptions. Biggest example that comes to mind is the bow-flex grandmother.   Good luck everyone !   MidCow Replies to this message: railroadjames (Mar 14, 2005 8:56 pm)
#374 of 393 [midnightcowboy]Critic Magazines & C.R. Do A Good Job by railroadjames Mar 14, 2005 (8:56 pm)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 14, 2005 12:52 pm) I gotta agree MidCow......Good point. Also Awards say quite abit about a car too. Prius has just about cleaned house in that department. Then there's the other websites that add to more info. to help a potential buyer decide on a purchase. Culliganman(the more ya know, the more ya know) P.S. MotorWeek is another avenue.
#375 of 393 Re: Toyota Prius v. ??? (fill in the comparison) [backy] by electrictroy Mar 15, 2005 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: backy (Mar 10, 2005 1:54 pm) HCH 5-speed: 11.9 secs. (charge?) Prius: 10.2 secs. (full charge)    Perhaps the Civic "feels" quicker because its smaller engine revs higher   .   Yeah well, that's what I said. Civic FEELS faster, and that's why I prefer it. I prefer manual shifting too.   However, I dispute your numbers. Car&Driver tests (fully charged) show: Civic cvt = 11.0 Prius cvt = 11.3   Essentially Equal.   Troy Replies to this message: backy (Mar 15, 2005 2:20 pm)
#376 of 393 Re: Toyota Prius v. ??? (fill in the comparison) [electrictroy] by backy Mar 15, 2005 (2:20 pm)
Replying to: electrictroy (Mar 15, 2005 12:42 pm) You can dispute the numbers all you want, but they are not MY numbers, but Motor Trends. Write them a letter if you want.
#377 of 393 I can help settle this dispute.... by larsb Mar 15, 2005 (2:40 pm)
I have an HCH 5-speed....Anyone in a Prius want to meet me somewhere in Phoenix for a 0-60 drag race?   Bring It On, Hybrid Synergy Boys !!!

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