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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 11, 2005 6:54 pm) I find it hard to believe that anyone that buys a Hummer2 expects good mileage. Something interesting is the owners of Hummers like them about as much as the Prius owners. As far as the Odyssey complaints about mileage it is as applicable as comparing a Hummer to the Prius. The Prius will not perform the duties of either the Hummer2 or the Odyssey. I think if you were objective in your research you would find that more Prius owners are upset with their poor mileage than are Hummer owners.
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 11, 2005 11:42 pm) As I said B/4 the forum for Hummers was a surprise being flooded with frustration over the WORST milage in the rankings as of late. Maybe they're knieve and/or maybe the light came on in the brain telling them that the reality of everyday gas consumption is actually a nightmare. Everyone knows that "EPA" ratings as to MPG's is practically a joke. Let's hope the gov. gets off their "unleaded fannys and develope a "real world" ratings system. Final thought....If a Prius owner complains about getting only 47 mpg's I'd say that on a scale of 1-10 that would be a 2...A Hummer's level would be considerably higher..say 8 or 9? Of course, when it comes to objective comparisons I'd say that dollar for dollar, my Prius is a "WIN-WIN situation. The Hummer will fall off (just like the sales have recently). We all know how the Prius is selling and will continue to. In one month of 1,000 miles the savings of a Prius OVER a Hummer is $168.00. Thats ..Prius  50 mpgs & Hummer 10 mpg's. GAS $2.10 per gal. 12 months later the savings are over 2 grand. Wow! The Hummer owner cudda taken his sweetheart to Europe for a 2 week romantic get-a-way. As a matter of fact, I think I'll do just that next month. Culliganman( $$$ well spent on Prius)
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Replying to: railroadjames (Mar 12, 2005 5:39 am) You do make up some interesting statistics. Of the 106 Prius II owners reporting their mileage only 11 are getting the EPA 55 mpg combined or better. 50 owners are getting 47 mpg or less. If you buy a car for it's perceived great mileage and it does not deliver you are justifiably upset. The consumers that don't like the mileage they are getting on the Hummer2 should accept that is part of owning that monstrosity of a vehicle. They mostly love their Hummerrs, just wish the mileage was better. Same goes for the Prius, most owners love them and wish they got better mileage. As far as hauling a half cord of wood in a Prius, that sounds like a personal problem. I doubt the suspension would hold up to that kind of weight. You dwell a lot on the price of gas driving a Hummer. I just looked at a Hummer2 in the Anchorage airport. Window sticker price was $66k, which included a $4995 dealer markup. If you spend that much money for a vehicle, an extra $2k per year in fuel is chump change. Remember that Hummer driver contributes a lot more to OUR economy than any Prius driver will, in initial purchase and road tax. If you were ever to get your wish and have everyone driving a hybrid, they will have to add at least another dollar to the road tax to maintain the highways. Hybrids are not carrying their share of the tax burden. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 11, 2005 11:42 pm) What is the source of your information on that? I've seen evidence to the contrary, e.g. in CR's latest satisfaction survey (ala "Would you buy this car again if you had it to do over?"), Prius was the most satisfying of the 250,000 respondees at 94%, while the Hummer H2 (only Hummer with enough responses to make the survey) was much lower, about 65% (based on looking at a bar chart on consumerreports.org). |
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Replying to: backy (Mar 12, 2005 1:09 pm) the H2 is a bargain. As a "real" owner who has driven the beast for a year, I can honestly say it's been just as reliable as my '03 Denali. In fact, I like it better than anything I ever owned...and that's saying a lot. (Previous cars - BMW 740i Sport, BMW 540, Mercedes 560 SEL, Audi TT, Tundra, Discovery II, Porsche 356 Speedster, to name a few) kacyk, "Hummer H2" #560, 7 Jan 2005 4:00 am |
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Replying to: backy (Mar 12, 2005 1:09 pm) the H2 is a bargain. As a "real" owner who has driven the beast for a year, I can honestly say it's been just as reliable as my '03 Denali. In fact, I like it better than anything I ever owned...and that's saying a lot. (Previous cars - BMW 740i Sport, BMW 540, Mercedes 560 SEL, Audi TT, Tundra, Discovery II, Porsche 356 Speedster, to name a few) kacyk, "Hummer H2" #560, 7 Jan 2005 4:00 am
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Replying to: backy (Mar 12, 2005 1:09 pm) I have to question any statistic that claims they have 250,000 Prius owners responding. I don't believe that many have been sold....
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 12, 2005 10:04 pm) First Gary Says "I think if you were objective in your research..." - Of course implying that other people aren't objective. Then he says "My source is the REAL people on Edmunds" when citing a cherry-picked example. So, the 250 Thousand people who replied to the CR survey aren't real people, nor are they objective. But, a couple of people on Edmunds are real and objective. Wait, no, that's not right. When people on Edmunds say they like the Prius, they are suddenly a self-selecting un-representative sample according to Gary. The only explanation for this apparent contradiction is that Gary's definition of 'objective' is completely subjective. Reminds me of that Fast Food slogan "Have it Your Way", except in Gary's case it's modified to "Have it Both Ways". |
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 12, 2005 10:04 pm) "... just as reliable as my '03 Denali." So, how reliable is that Denali, anyway? That "illegitimate" CR reliability survey shows GMC vehicles with a terrible reliability record. So "as reliable as my Denali" may be what is called "faint praise." BTW, there were 250,000 responses overall to the satisfaction question, not 250,000 Prius owners. I am glad kacyk likes his H2. I guess someone who can afford cars like the BMW 740 and MB 560 wouldn't blink an eye while satisfying the H2's appetite for gas. |
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