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#330 of 393 Re: [john1701a] by xcel Aug 22, 2004 (9:41 pm)
Replying to: john1701a (Aug 22, 2004 9:27 pm) Hi Gagrice:   ___I like Jesse V too   ___John,   you are guilty of "vague" in that very post. I see "lacks" and "slower" and "smaller" and "lower" references with no numerics whatsoever for comparisons or to even establish a frame-of-reference.,   ___That is a laugh. You haven’t provided anything yet I do provide volumes in exact cu. ft, prices in both TCO and initial cost $’s, performance from 0 - 60 in seconds as measured by any number of car mags, fuel economy figures and car scoring as posted by CR’s and Greenhybrid.com’s Real Hybrid Mileage Database, safety ratings in Stars as posted by NHTSA, features, specs, emissions, and options as reported by Toyota, Honda, Ford, and Edmunds. Did you really want to see all of these facts posted again so Backy can get all stirred up?   The real point is that Prius is a specialized vehicle, the showcase for HSD. So naturally, it isn't going to fit the mold. It quite simply was never intended to.   ___But it certainly does cost more then these comparison vehicles that are much faster, larger, safer, have much lower initial costs, lower TCO’s, possibly lower overall emissions, and handle better depending on which is being looked at.   since the automotive market is rapidly changing right now, much of the comments posted here recently will have to be seriously reexamined in just a few years. HSD would have improved (price, availability, configuration, etc.) and virtually nothing would have changed with the traditional vehicles (they are already at their apex).   ___Sure is! The 2005 Corolla can now be equipped with Side Curtains, TRAC, and VSC vs. none of these back in 04. The 2004 and 2005 Accord EX is still a much better value and buy then the 2004 Prius II. And you are still waiting and waiting and waiting to purchase an 04/05 Prius II. Does the 05 Prius II have changes worth noting or is it still an also ran by comparison to the Accord in particular? I know what can and cannot be purchased for a particular price today.   ___I haven’t a clue as to what the automobile manufactures will offer in 06/07 and for what price. If it’s attractive, I will consider it as most others will as well. If it isn’t, oh well. Those doing the serious comparisons today are more then likely looking at buying what is available today, not 2 or 3 years from now.   ___Wayne R. Gerdes Replies to this message: backy (Aug 23, 2004 4:40 am)
#331 of 393 Re: [xcel] by backy Aug 23, 2004 (4:40 am)
Replying to: xcel (Aug 22, 2004 9:41 pm) Bring on all the statistics you want. It's the mindless repetition of same and the personal stuff that are hard to take.
#332 of 393 by kirstie_h HOST Aug 23, 2004 (4:43 am)
The personal stuff ends here - please change the tone of the conversation, and leave the accusations and insults out of it. Further posts along this line will be deleted without notice.   kirstie_h Roving Host & Future Vehicles Host Replies to this message: sjohnson11 (Aug 23, 2004 9:35 am)
#333 of 393 by sjohnson11 Aug 23, 2004 (9:35 am)
Replying to: kirstie_h (Aug 23, 2004 4:43 am) Hey guys - why not just test drive all of these and see which one "feels" right? What ever that may be - being green, getting a tax credit, driving alone in the HOV lane (legally). These things may mean more to some than all the statistics in the world. Just have fun and enjoy what you drive.....
#334 of 393 September Car & Driver Hybrid Comparison by solar_dad Aug 23, 2004 (1:18 pm)
FYI, C&D has an interesting comparison of gas-sipping cars this month, called the "Frugalympics," at:   http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=- 8427   As John mentioned earlier, it does a nice job of laying out the different driving conditions and courses they used for city/hwy mileage. Let the debate begin.   Mike
#337 of 393 Re: Thick Headed [gagrice] by rfruth Aug 23, 2004 (2:13 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Aug 22, 2004 4:56 pm) This isn't the place for politics so I'm don't mean to stir things up but during the CA recall Arnold S. indicated he would convert one of his Hummer's over to hydrogen and that hasn't happened (okay by me, just a PR stunt IMO) Now Arnold Schwarzenegger says he wants to use solar power & not just for him, anyone have details on this ? Just imagine a Prius stopped at a light recharging its batteries via solar panels on its roof. Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 23, 2004 5:04 pm)

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