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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 22, 2004 5:10 pm) I can relate. In early '99 I went to my local Honda dealer to drive the all-new Odyssey--I needed a van to replace my '91 Caravan 4-banger. I was told that due to limited supply, not only did they have no van for me to test-drive, but if I wanted one I could enter my name into their "lottery" and if I was lucky I'd get one in a few months. I leased a Grand Caravan Sport and was very pleased with it. Then in late '03 I started looking for a van to replace the GCS, which was going off-lease soon, and went shopping for the all-new Sienna at my local Toyota dealer. I was told that supplies were not meeting demand and the price was MSRP, take it or leave it--if I could find the van I wanted, which was tough because I wanted a lightly-optioned LE. That's when I decided I could live without a minivan and started looking at hatchbacks like the Prius. Point is, this is not a Prius problem or even a hybrid problem. It's the old law of supply and demand, and the free enterprise system, in full force. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 22, 2004 4:56 pm) So you are saying... None of the many battery manufacturers out their care about the huge supplier opportunity hybrids offer. Really? They all produce rechargable NiMH batteries already. Getting to make big ones for the auto industry is nothing they'd be interested in. Eh? JOHN |
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Replying to: john1701a (Aug 21, 2004 7:23 am) Don't worry. I find it rather entertaining that ACCORD is now the "vehicle of choice". Previously, it was FOCUS. Before that, it was INSIGHT. And before that, it was COROLLA. ___PZEV Focus only lost big on the TCO although it does cost less then 50% of the Prius II albeit being larger, faster, better handling, less polluting, and can be more luxuriously equipped by many measures. ___The Honda Insight? The only item the Insight has all over the Prius II is that I paid about 37% of what you did and receive almost double the fuel economy? You must love driving back and forth to work by yourself sucking down fuel at a rate just a bit under the Corolla. You remember her right? Faster yet uses the same to similar underpinnings and costs $12,000 less money? It certainly doesn’t have the amenities but with a lmpg of ~ 5 mpg less when I drive then your Prius II and $12,000 in the bank, she makes a great commuter for many that cannot afford or are willing to wait for a Prius II? ___And the Accord? Wow. It has so many advantages over and above the Prius II. From every post, you haven’t seen any advantage in any automobile compared to the Prius II and especially the Accord EX for any and all reasons. That really makes me wonder which vehicle will be next and how soon that abrupt change to argue in favor of something else will come. ___If I find another automobile that is better then the Prius II, I will post about it as well given what the Prius lacks in performance in particular. I can’t help the Toyota made the Prius II slower then a Toyota Echo, much smaller then a Toyota Camry, yet charge as much as a lower end Toyota Avalon but in doing so, they opened the Prius II up for a ton of great comparisons. ___Overall, I haven’t seen you add much to this thread other then your term of “Vague” even after a fact or fact(s) are posted. Is there any item or aspect that the Focus, Insight, Corolla, or Accord have over a Prius II or are they all inferior in every respect? I cannot wait for this reply  ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Hi All: ___And with all of the above, when the Corolla or Camry Hybrid is available that has the same or similar performance as that of the 4 w/ Auto and can be purchased for just $2,000 premium, then Hybrid’s will take over. Unfortunately if this scenario does come about, I don’t know where the Prius II will fit? With an ~ $7K premium for the Escape HEV over its 4 cyl. brethren and a rumored $7K for the RXh over the RX, those won’t fly in big enough numbers to make any difference either imho. ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Replying to: xcel (Aug 22, 2004 8:38 pm) His ex-governor can whip your governor's butt... Although I doubt that Jesse would fit in a Prius. Probably drives a Hummer like our Gov..... |
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Replying to: xcel (Aug 22, 2004 8:38 pm) The real point is that Prius is a specialized vehicle, the showcase for HSD. So naturally, it isn't going to fit the mold. It quite simply was never intended to. And since the automotive market is rapidly changing right now, much of the comments posted here recently will have to be seriously reexamined in just a few years. HSD would have improved (price, availability, configuration, etc.) and virtually nothing would have changed with the traditional vehicles (they are already at their apex). JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Aug 22, 2004 9:27 pm) ___I like Jesse V too ___John, you are guilty of "vague" in that very post. I see "lacks" and "slower" and "smaller" and "lower" references with no numerics whatsoever for comparisons or to even establish a frame-of-reference., ___That is a laugh. You haven’t provided anything yet I do provide volumes in exact cu. ft, prices in both TCO and initial cost $’s, performance from 0 - 60 in seconds as measured by any number of car mags, fuel economy figures and car scoring as posted by CR’s and Greenhybrid.com’s Real Hybrid Mileage Database, safety ratings in Stars as posted by NHTSA, features, specs, emissions, and options as reported by Toyota, Honda, Ford, and Edmunds. Did you really want to see all of these facts posted again so Backy can get all stirred up? The real point is that Prius is a specialized vehicle, the showcase for HSD. So naturally, it isn't going to fit the mold. It quite simply was never intended to. ___But it certainly does cost more then these comparison vehicles that are much faster, larger, safer, have much lower initial costs, lower TCO’s, possibly lower overall emissions, and handle better depending on which is being looked at. since the automotive market is rapidly changing right now, much of the comments posted here recently will have to be seriously reexamined in just a few years. HSD would have improved (price, availability, configuration, etc.) and virtually nothing would have changed with the traditional vehicles (they are already at their apex). ___Sure is! The 2005 Corolla can now be equipped with Side Curtains, TRAC, and VSC vs. none of these back in 04. The 2004 and 2005 Accord EX is still a much better value and buy then the 2004 Prius II. And you are still waiting and waiting and waiting to purchase an 04/05 Prius II. Does the 05 Prius II have changes worth noting or is it still an also ran by comparison to the Accord in particular? I know what can and cannot be purchased for a particular price today. ___I haven’t a clue as to what the automobile manufactures will offer in 06/07 and for what price. If it’s attractive, I will consider it as most others will as well. If it isn’t, oh well. Those doing the serious comparisons today are more then likely looking at buying what is available today, not 2 or 3 years from now. ___Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Aug 22, 2004 9:41 pm) |
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The personal stuff ends here - please change the tone of the conversation, and leave the accusations and insults out of it. Further posts along this line will be deleted without notice. kirstie_h Roving Host & Future Vehicles Host
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