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Re: Prius v Jetta Wagon [backy] by gagrice
Aug 22, 2004 (12:06 pm)

Replying to: backy (Aug 22, 2004 11:14 am)

I agree with all you say. However these additional Toyota hybrid models have been bumped to a later date more than once. It looks like none will materialize until the middle of 2005 if then. I don't believe they increased the Prius production for 2004 past the original 120k units. They just sent more to the US market. They are hedging on increased production even in 2005 from what I read. Time will tell.
 
Where I live ULSD is available at the SOCO stations and ARCO. It is ECD-1 less than 15 PPM sulfur. I run it in my Kubota tractor.
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Re: Prius v Jetta Wagon [gagrice] by john1701a
Aug 22, 2004 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 22, 2004 12:06 pm)

Production of Prius will be growing in 2005.
 
The fact that you are in denial of that and also refuse to acknowledge that limitation caused by the Ovonics lawsuit as well as third-party supplied parts is something you're going to have to learn to accept.
 
JOHN
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Re: Prius v Jetta Wagon [john1701a] by gagrice
Aug 22, 2004 (2:27 pm)

Replying to: john1701a (Aug 22, 2004 12:37 pm)

It will be easier to accept when it is fact and not hype or hope on your part.
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Re: Prius v Jetta Wagon [gagrice] by backy
Aug 22, 2004 (2:49 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Aug 22, 2004 12:06 pm)

FWIW, I think there was an actual increase in Prius production during 2004. I remember press reports about adding shifts at the factory in Japan to produce more. As I recall, the original target shipments to the U.S. for MY 2004 were 36,000, and it was bumped to 47,000. It is true the Toyota SUV hybrids have been delayed, but that delay doesn't concern me (maybe it would if I were waiting for one), as I'd rather seen Toyota get the new models right and if that takes a little more time, fine. Also, other automakers like Ford, GM, and Honda have stepped in with more hybrid production. So I think comparisons of the Prius to the EV-1 are overly pessimistic. I don't recall tens of thousands of people lining up on waiting lists just for the chance to own (or lease) an EV-1.
 
P.S. There was a typo on my post #310. I meant to say, "But automakers realize they can't just sell those kinds of vehicles, because not everyone wants them or can afford them."
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Thick Headed by falconone
Aug 22, 2004 (3:30 pm)
I can't believe how people write the same stuff ALL the time on these boards. Every professional article I read mentions that the supplier of the Prius traction battery is the primary reason for the delay in getting units out. I trust that in a year's time, this will be remedied. Folks will have to accept that hybrids are here to stay. I look forward to eventually getting one.
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Prius production by toycash
Aug 22, 2004 (4:41 pm)
It is a fact that total Prius production is going up by 50%. The US division is probably going to get an even larger increase in their allocation. Our dealer has already been told that the regional allocation will be going up substantially by winter.
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Re: Thick Headed [falconone] by gagrice
Aug 22, 2004 (4:56 pm)

Replying to: falconone (Aug 22, 2004 3:30 pm)

What makes you so sure that the battery situation will improve? Proof is in the seeing. I'm not seeing any improvement in the situation. It is not the same battery company that Ford is depending on, yet they have had up to a years delay since the Escape was first due. Maybe the materials to make these heavy duty batteries is very rare. The only denial is on the part of those that cannot accept that supply is not meeting demand. I imagine you will see this sort of dialog until the situation reverses itself. Then we can all go harass the people on other boards.
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Re: Prius v Jetta Wagon [backy] by gagrice
Aug 22, 2004 (5:10 pm)

Replying to: backy (Aug 22, 2004 2:49 pm)

it was bumped to 47,000
 
you are correct there also. I think they re-directed some of the production and did work overtime to increase output. I'm sure the hybrids will not suffer the same fate of the EV-1. It was an experiment with electric cars. I think it was a bit before it's time and the marketing did not put any responsibility on the driver. There was no infrastructure to support the EV-1. The hybrids do not suffer from that problem. I think the Civic GX is also suffering from supply problems with re-fueling stations for CNG. I think I have mentioned before I liked my two test drives in the first Prius they brought to San Diego. I just have a hard time believing that Toyota is on the up & up with production. Not denial, mistrust of corporate giants.
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Re: Prius v Jetta Wagon [john1701a] by gagrice
Aug 22, 2004 (5:21 pm)

No matter how many times you continue to see the data in print, you keep refusing to acknowledge it
 
John,
Print means nothing. They have printed that the Lexus hybrid SUV would be out this last Spring. It was not. Until I see quiet cars and SUVs running up and down the highway & byways it is all HYPE. That is reality. In my driving around San Diego I have not seen more than a half a dozen Prius. That is not many in a city of 2 million people.

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