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#294 of 393 Re: [backy] by xcel Aug 20, 2004 (4:16 pm)
Replying to: backy (Aug 20, 2004 3:27 pm) Hi Backy:   The initial purchase price and TCO of many cars, new and used, are lower than for the Prius. What is your point?   ___Because the Honda Accord DX, LX, and EX not only offer a much lower initial and TCO cost(s), they offer larger size, superior handling, superior performance, more luxury options depending on trim, and are safer. What point did you miss?   "Better" is relative. Better for you, yes. Better for others, maybe not. Not everyone in the world has your requirements for a car.   ___You can add “better” according to CR’s, C&D, and almost 400,000 Accord purchasers last year as well. They also are not everyone in the world but they do account for something?   ___Wayne R. Gerdes Replies to this message: backy (Aug 20, 2004 4:29 pm) gagrice (Aug 20, 2004 4:35 pm)
#295 of 393 Re: [backy] by gagrice Aug 20, 2004 (4:28 pm)
Replying to: backy (Aug 20, 2004 2:53 pm) A young couple at church with two children, have an Elantra Hatchback. They absolutely love it. I imagine a Prius would be out of their budget. At $9k more it would be about $180 more per month for 5 years. That would buy enough gas for about 29,000 miles per year. Or 145,000 miles over the life of the contract. Smart couple I'd say.
#296 of 393 Re: [xcel] by backy Aug 20, 2004 (4:29 pm)
Replying to: xcel (Aug 20, 2004 4:16 pm) Stick a hatchback on the Accord, drop the price about $4000 and I'll think about it.   Some facts: CR recommends the Prius over the Accord for family car buyers for whom fuel economy is important--demonstrating that the "better" car is relative to the buyer's requirements. To my knowledge, C/D has not done a comparo on the Accord vs. the Prius. They do rate the Prius one of the "10Best" cars available, however.   How many Accord buyers wanted to buy a Prius but could not due to limited availability and long waits, and thus settled for the Accord? More people bought an F-series pickup than an Accord last year. That makes the F-series better than the Accord, in your opinion, correct? Replies to this message: gagrice (Aug 20, 2004 4:35 pm)
#297 of 393 Re: F series PU[backy] by gagrice Aug 20, 2004 (4:35 pm)
Replying to: backy (Aug 20, 2004 4:29 pm) I would say the "F" Series Pickups with the 6.0 diesel is superior to anything Toyota or Honda has ever built...... In my not so humble opinion... PS I really don't like Ford either
#298 of 393 by xcel Aug 20, 2004 (6:20 pm)
Hi Backy:   Stick a hatchback on the Accord, drop the price about $4000 and I'll think about it.   ___So if your criteria was price alone, the Prius II would have to drop by $9,000?   Recommendations   "The 2004 version of the Prius is a considerable step up from the first generation, with a spacious interior, quicker acceleration, improved gas mileage, and cleaner emissions, all for about the same price," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports Auto Test facility in East Haddam, Connecticut. "However, if your needs require a well-rounded family sedan, there are several models, including the 4-cylinder versions of the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Mazda6 and Nissan Altima, that have scored better overall in our tests."   ___Here is another for you:   Safety   NHTSA:   Honda Accord: 5/5/4/5/4 Stars Toyota Prius II: 5/4/4/4/4 Stars   the Prius over the Accord for family car buyers for whom fuel economy is important   ___Did you purchase the Hyundai Elantra over the Prius II because of fuel economy? Those that do are either uninformed about the total costs involved or apparently only care about fuel economy given CR’s overall higher scoring for the Accord.    More people bought an F-series pickup than an Accord last year. That makes the F-series better than the Accord.   ___More people also purchased the Camry and Corolla then the Prius II so do you think the Corolla and Camry are better then the Prius II? All the Accord, Camry, and Corolla purchasers had a choice to purchase the Prius but decided against it for one reason or other(s).   ___Wayne R. Gerdes Replies to this message: backy (Aug 20, 2004 8:32 pm)
#299 of 393 Re: [xcel] by backy Aug 20, 2004 (8:32 pm)
Replying to: xcel (Aug 20, 2004 6:20 pm) As I have already explained, price was a major criterion in my purchase of the Elantra GT but not my only one. But I don't see the need to repeat myself ten or twenty times. You've already brought up the quote from Mr. Champion (in which he makes a mistake about what his magazine has reported), and the NHTSA ratings. How many times are you going to repeat them?   Since your sole purpose here is clearly to play mind games, using repetitive minutae and mis-quoted posts to beat people into submission, I'll let you have this thread all to yourself. Knock yourself out. Replies to this message: john1701a (Aug 21, 2004 7:23 am) and 5 more...

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