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Re: Diesel Fuel [djasonw #3353] by bamacar
Jun 23, 2004 (12:46 pm)

Replying to: djasonw (Jun 23, 2004 12:25 pm)

Try replicating the $10-15,000 in the Toyota Corolla owners' hands since you paid cash. Double Duh????
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Re: Diesel Fuel [ruking1 #3340] by prius4meus
Jun 24, 2004 (2:58 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 23, 2004 10:42 am)

""$9,000 buys a whole lot of gas!" I would agree with that!
 
1.59 for #2 diesel and 1.95 unleaded gas:
 
this converts to 4,615 gals and at 38 mpg that is 175,384 miles! "
 
Do all those interested in diesel live in the US? If so, is there some secret market for reduced sulfur diesel about which I am unaware? My understanding is that this won't be available until at least 2006 (and the way thing work in this arena, I wouldn't bet the farm on that one). If so, in figuring the "cost" of fuel, diesel drivers should factor in the tremendously detrimental health effects yielded by the emmisions from their tailpipes.
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Re: Should I? [prius4meus #3376] by djasonw
Jun 24, 2004 (3:40 am)
For people that don't care about ride quality and other virtues, the differences may not be a determining factor. If you're frugal, go with the Corolla. If you like to avoid ubiquity and boredom stay with the Prius. I've driven a Camry, Echo, Corolla and Prius. The ride quality of the Prius is VERY close to that of a Camry (smooth and quiet).
 
Short story... had a Mercedes E320 loaner 2 months ago while my friend's car was being serviced (he was away on business). I had to go to work and had a choice of a brand new E320 (actually it was an '03) or my '04 Prius. Needless to say, I chose the Prius. No, it's not a Mercedes but own one and you'll understand.
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Re: cars on Edmund's [gagrice #3387] by gagrice
Jun 25, 2004 (6:21 pm)
Seriously, I have the best break even vehicle to compare to the Prius. The Hyundai Elantra. It is slightly larger (12 cf more luggage space). Gets decent gas mileage, has the same 45 state emission rating of 9 and completely loaded with all options has a TMV of $15,857. Now that means if, no, BIG IF, you can get a stripped Prius for $25,000 (someone just paid $27k for a package 3 on this forum). For $9,143 less you can have a vehicle with as good emissions, I am assuming the ride and comfort to be the same for all these miniature cars. With that $9K savings you can buy enough gas to drive around the world 6 and 1/2 times. I call that a bargain.
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Re: cars on Edmund's [gagrice #3388] by djasonw
Jun 25, 2004 (8:18 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 25, 2004 6:21 pm)

Problem is you can NEVER find an Elantra with anti lock brakes. I actually had an Elantra (1999) for a few months as a commuter car. Actually a nice vehicle but the mileage was fair (high 20's). My new criteria for any new car is to have stability control. The Elantra has it's place, just not in MY driveway. Better yet, why not suggest the Accent or the Kia Spectra. Much cheaper than a TDI too!!!! LOL
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Re: cars on Edmund's [djasonw #3389] by gagrice
Jun 25, 2004 (9:11 pm)

Replying to: djasonw (Jun 25, 2004 8:18 pm)

I am sure there are many choices. That one had the good emission rating. It is a hatchback and about the same size as the Prius. there are evidently thousands of prospective Prius customers that may not want to wait for months or pay a big premium. Me I would not wait in line to see the Pope or the President, let alone some over hyped vehicle.
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Re: cars on Edmund's [gagrice #3391] by backy
Jun 25, 2004 (10:29 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 25, 2004 9:11 pm)

You make a good point that if a car like the Elantra GT 5-door can meet someone's needs, they will save mucho bucks compared to buying a Prius. But you don't get a Prius for the price of an Elantra. With a Prius you get more rear-seat leg room (could be important for some people), about double the in-town fuel economy (compared to automatic Elantra), AT-PZEV emissions vs. ULEV (in most states anyway). The features are mixed; the Elantra GT has some standard features and factory options that the Prius does not (power moonroof, leather, seat height adjuster, MP3 player, adjustable lumbar support, choice of stick or automatic) and the Prius has many features and options the Elantra does not offer. Also, IMO the Prius offers a notch higher level of quality than the Elantra (as it should for a $20k+ car). One thing on the cargo room, though--I think they're roughly equivalent. I really don't think the Elantra GT 5-door has 12 cubic feet more luggage space than the Prius. But I am too tired to check the specs right now.
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Re: cars on Edmund's [gagrice #3391] by djasonw
Jun 26, 2004 (4:51 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 25, 2004 9:11 pm)

It's overhyped because it's a great car. Get used to it.
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Re: cars on Edmund's [backy #3392] by gagrice
Jun 26, 2004 (6:24 am)

Replying to: backy (Jun 25, 2004 10:29 pm)

The Prius is the hands down mileage winner over the Elantra by more than 30%. I was a bit surprised on the difference in luggage space. Maybe the back seat suffered on the Elantra. My whole point was that I added everything to the Elantra on the Edmund's pricing and with the rebate the car sells for under $16k. You don't get the latest in technology. You get as much comfort as that class of car has to offer. And at today's premium (caused by media hype) the Prius is not a good buy. That is not saying the Prius is not a nifty car with the latest technology. It is just not a wise choice if you are economy minded. If you have to be the first on your block to get one you are going to pay a $9,000 premium to get it. That is a lot of gas, food and cloths for someone that is worried about economy.

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