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#437 of 606 Re: not convinced.... [falconone]
Oct 12, 2005 (7:13 am)
"There are specialty shops that fix foreign cars and that's where I took my Lexus when I owned one. It was a very inexpensive three year ownership. "
H'mm, but it was under warranty for 4 yrs 50,000 miles so no part cost. Yes you could save on oil changes, mainenace items, etc at a non-Lexus dealer.
H'mm one wonders why you are buying a Prius instead of another "inexpensive three year ownership" Lexus.
The Lexus 400h is "green" and would be my choice over a Prius.
Again, I think the Prius is a great car or would be a great car if it only had a 6-speed manual shift transmission.
I am going to the Lexus dog-and-pony show this weekend. The new Lexus IS250 comes with a 6-speed. The only thing I don't lioke about my 2002 IS 300 5-speed is that it is geared for luxury driver ( you don't have to shiht anywhere from 40 to highway speed becuase it is geared low at 22 miles per thousand rpm; it really needed a higher 6th gear).
While the Lexus might be a Toyota with extra cream it is called a Toyota everywhere but US same with Acura being called a Honda. All I know is that free Lexus service loaner cars really costs you a lot in the price of service.
If one thinks the break-even is long on a non-luxury hybrid ( example Prius) it is even longer on a luxury hybrid ( example 400h). I think the real reason people buy the luxury hybrids is to make a "green" environmental statement.
Oct 12, 2005 (7:20 am)
You spent the first few paragraphs telling me how available diesel is and then finished telling me how to make the biodiesel in my GARAGE....
What that tells me is that the old stink pot Diesels can get fuel but the new cleaner burning Biodiesel is NOT readily available...JUST AS I SAID.
#439 of 606 Re: not convinced.... [midnightcowboy]
Oct 12, 2005 (7:24 am)
There is no Lexus avail. that costs 26.7k, otherwise I'd consider. The RH/RX is so ubiquitous around here, it's so BORING. The Prius is still a rare breed around these parts. I have no need for a 6 speed. Most people 90% in the US opt for autos. The CVT is really cool!! No shift shock, better throttle response, no hunting going uphills etc.
I am getting a Prius because no Lexus comes close to 50mpg on the highway. Though my ownership experience of the Lexus was wonderful, I was very bored with the RX after 3 yrs. I will always be loyal to the Asian brands as my ownership experience with them has always been great. My German owning experience has not been bad, but they are much fussier with maint etc.
Oh..Midnight... you never answered my question... what mileage does your accord get at a steady 80mph on the freeway? I have gotten low 40's with light wind 80mph in a 04 Prius. Imagine cruisin' 80 and getting 40+..... COOOL!!!
12 weeks or so for my Prius!! Can't wait!
#440 of 606 Re: not convinced.... [midnightcowboy]
Oct 12, 2005 (7:36 am)
First year maintance on my LEXUS was not 800 or 600...It was an couple of Oil Changes....
You are right it is Expensive to get them Serviced...but it is worth it ...In the long run to have it done right..I will note the 6-800 is the 'AVG. since I have owned the car...I have had rear brakes...A radar/laser unit replaced when it was hit by a rock...And the headlight washer repaired after I damaged the tube by running up on a curb....I also had The transmission fluid changed...Add in the oil changes and That is it.
P.S on the Laser/radar unit it is now protected by a piece of 1/4 in. Lexan Works great It cost little to have a windshield place put it on for me with industrial two sided tape. Will be happy to tell anyone how it is done if you are interested...Cost $20 Bucks....The Laser/radar unit costs $2000....
#441 of 606 Re: not convinced.... [midnightcowboy]
Oct 12, 2005 (7:40 am)
As you have discovered I am not mechanical...The Lexus dealer told me they always turn the WHATEVER...because to get the max out of the car they want them perfect...The tell me this stuff..I listen...ask a question or two...They insist...I write check.
When you think about it...The Lexus dealer is a lot like a WIFE...
#442 of 606 Re: not convinced.... [midnightcowboy]
Oct 12, 2005 (7:49 am)
Not true about the Lexus name being only in the US.....They are now opening LEXUS dealerships in JAPAN...Has been going on for a Year now.....
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about Lexus....P.S. It is true that the New features that go into Lexus has first been tested on production Toyota's in Japan....Another part of the reason LEXUS it the most reliable mass produced car in the WORLD...
P.S. As a point of interest...All Lexus LS are made in a single plant in Japan...It is totally made by Robots...A total of 60 Employees work in the plant...
Oct 12, 2005 (8:09 am)
cheap maintenance: You cant' really compare an old clunker's maintenance with a modern car and what it costs to run one. An old clunker can be nursed along with all kinds of maladies and sub-standard parts because it is simple in design and easy to fix
LEXUS PRIUS? -- I think any luxury hybrid would have to be very transparent in its operation to the driver/owner.
BIODIESEL -- does your neighbor know that putting biodiesel in his fairly new Benz voids his warranty?
#444 of 606 Re: a few thoughts [Mr_Shiftright]
Oct 12, 2005 (8:12 am)
I thought bio diesel was being condoned by the manufactuers. At least VW, not sure about MB.
#445 of 606 Re: gagrice we finally agree [katzjamr]
Oct 12, 2005 (8:42 am)
"Many of us were wondering what was up with the CR tests that showed low mpg on hybrids in the city cycle."
They've always printed that way for years... It's little things as such, that makes me think folks don't know what they are doing, and as a result, their comments shouldn't be taken seriously and without qualification, on every topic. Just because it is in print, it does not mean it's right. I let my subscription ran out since 2001.
They're trying to make a living by selling magazines. They pretend to be Watchdog over people, but they have no watchdog over them.
Sorry, Host. That's my last comment about CR on Hybrids.
#446 of 606 Re: a few thoughts [falconone]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 12, 2005 (8:44 am)
Yes you're right that VW allows biodiesel but I wouldn't say they are recommending it. I suppose 'condones' is more like "tolerates it".
Benz doesn't allow it. Use biodiesel, it's your engine not theirs anymore. Maybe this policy will change I dunno.
Making your own fuel is I'm sure great fun for the whole family but I don't see this as a practical alternative for most Americans or an argument for any significant energy saving policy for an entire country.
Besides, supply and demand will kick in at some point....if everybody goes in search of used restaurant oil, guess what will happen to the price/value of used cooking oils?