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You are in the Chevrolet Impala
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Chevrolet Impala, Sedan
Nov 28, 2008 (8:44 am)
I'll address some of the aspects of the items here.
> I go to a message board and see 500 postings about a model, then your assessment is most likely the case. When I go to a message board and see 3400 messages, many discussing "this problem" or "that anomaly" it gives me great pause
The number of posts in a discussion is not relevant. I can probably go find lots of Honda and Toyota discussions with 10000+ posts. What is relevant is how many different posters actually have a problem. Notice I said different: in some discussions a single person keeps reposting about their problem and then evoking responses from some of the same people declaring there is no problem with the car or at least not with their car or their friend's car. Reading the flow of the discussion and comparing that with the number sold and the type of buyers to whom they are sold can help gauge the scope of the real or the imagined problem.
>, Chevrolet has issued 66 Technical Service Bulletins for the 2006 Impala. In comparison, Dodge has only had to issue 39 TSB's for the 2006 Charger, Ford has issued 17 for the '06 Five Hundred, and Toyota has issued 14 for the '06 Avalon.
The number of service TSBs that are PUBLIC knowledge is not relevant. In fact that means the company acknowledges something is there for some cars out of a group. Again I can search discussions and find where people said that certain popular cars with no problem reputations hid problems with their cars in the 90s and didn't issue fixes just to avoid the stigma of the TSBs or recalls at a greater depth of problem.
>Consumer Reports is also reporting the '06 Impala as a used car to avoid.
I take Consumer Reports with a big grain of salt. Remember their automatic love for anything Toyota or Honda. And then remember their having to say the Camry V6s aren't that great; they were "over-loving" the brand. And the Avalon came out with a rebuild based on the Camry and it was automatic love again. But months later there was a small picture and a statement that there were some problems with the car.
And I realize you said that you don't accept CR as the automatic authority that's always right.
CR relies on the same reporting mechanism that the forums do-voluntary participation by a specific group who happen to be internet savvy and have a problem with a car they don't love and are willing to complain about; as opposed to those who won't complain because they don't want to affect the car brand's image.
I would evaluate a car for purchase by driving it first and being alert for symptoms of any of the problems which might be in some cars. I can go to the TSBs list for my Buick and there are many, many problems but my car doesn't have them. It means they occured in a number of models with parts from a certain supplier's group or day's output; but not all cars will have them.
Notice that I have not said there are not cars with problems.
#3408 of 3636 Re: [imidazol97]
Nov 28, 2008 (12:32 pm)
The number of TSB's issued is relevant in the sense that GM has publicly acknowledged 66 "concerns" that may exist in certain '06's. That is pretty poor. I realize that some manufacturers keep such information to themselves and make it available only to dealers. My original point was to support my statement that Chevy/GM has acknowledged the issues I mentioned as well as numerous others. The more bulletins that exist, the greater the chance that at least one of them will affect the sample you buy or are currently driving.
I understand that the number of posts in a discussion may not be a hard indicator of issues, but the more posts there are the more likely there will be a higher concentration of reported issues. Particularly in discussions related to "problems" or "issues". Granted, popular models will have more posts. At that point you just have to skim through them and see what they relate to. It's always fun and interesting to read through them
When purchasing a new car, it is next to impossible to check for symptoms of known problems. When I test drove my new '06 Impala 28 months ago the steering was fine, the exterior trim pieces weren't peeling, the dash didn't rattle, the doors didn't rattle, the windows didn't rattle, the brakes weren't warped, and the seatbacks didn't pop. By 7500 miles the power steering hose ruptured, by 12K miles the brakes were warped, by 32K miles the ISS was unacceptable, and at ~33K miles the water pump failed. Somewhere in there the seats started popping as well. Additionally, TSB's for these issues most likely didn't immediately exist back then.
If buying used, then a careful evaluation as well as awareness of a models known problems can be invaluable while shopping.
Honestly, I couldn't care less about a brand's image. Be it Chevy, KIA, Lexus, BMW...it doesn't matter. If someone asks me to complete a survey about my car I am honest and report everything realistically. I will report problems regardless if I love or hate the vehicle. You hear people all the time say "I love the car, but it seems to have a constant problem with blah, blah, blah." Too many companies are riding purely on their image/brand name and need to start becoming accountable for their actual products and services (good or bad).
I agree that there are no perfect vehicles. Some are better than others, even within the same model. Myself, along with numerous other different posters in this forum, seem to be experiencing very similar problems across various trim levels. We talk about them, share our solutions (and our frustration), and try to help. Many times it can be therapeutic to know we aren't alone
Nov 28, 2008 (4:07 pm)
No my attorney hasn't contacted the dealer yet because like you said I thought it might make matters worse so I'm waiting till I know whats going on with my car.Thanks for the advise on the different routes to take with my car.This is now Friday and I still have not heard anything on what their doing about the repairs.This is now the nineth day.I can't get over the people on here getting so upset with the fact were upset over the problems with are cars.I bet if they had the problems with their cars that we've had they'd be upset as well.I know all cars have issue but not this many and not in the first year or two.
#3410 of 3636 Re: [rhonda20]
Nov 30, 2008 (7:53 am)
I am very sorry to hear that you are still waiting for your car back. I definitely feel your frustration.
I owned a Ford several years ago. The dealer had to keep it for 17 days straight, including over a Thanksgiving holiday, to track down an abnormal noise. They eventually called out someone from the factory who tracked down the problem to a manufacturing defect with the frame. During the time they had it, they only contacted me twice. Otherwise I had to keep on top of them for updates. They did give me a free rental for the entire 17 days however...the only bright spot to an otherwise poor service stint. The dealer showed me the final warranty charges for all of the work that needed to be done, and Ford paid over $5,000 to fix the vehicle during that 17-day trip!
Honestly, I am ready to trade my Impala on something else. Unfortunately the trade-in value is very low. Since purchasing my '06 Impala new 28 months ago the car has dropped 67% in value. Despite a decent down payment, an additional $2,000 dealer discount, and 0% through GMAC, it has been impossible to keep up with the depreciation. I know that all cars depreciate significantly, but the Impala is one of the worst I have ever experienced personally.
My other issue is that nothing out there interests me all that much that I would want to buy. The Pontiac G8 is nice, but after Friday's news that GM may be killing the Pontiac line as part of their "recovery plan", I am a little gun shy about that. The Dodge Charger and Challenger are nice, but again not sure that Chrysler will be around in the next year or two. The Ford Taurus is a nice car as well, and Ford is in the best shape of the Big 3, so that is a small possibility. None of the aforementioned vehicles, though, provide that "I must buy this!" excitement that a new vehicle should give you.
I test drove a new Mazda CX-9 a few weeks ago, and did not care for it at all. How it has won so many media accolades and awards escapes me. There is nothing special at all about it. The dealer was even offering a $7,200 discount on the vehicle and that wasn't enough to entice me.
So, my Impala will most likely stay until the Spring. By then it will be out of warranty and have 40,000 miles on it. Hopefully nothing major will go wrong with it between the time the warranty ends and I find a suitable replacement.
#3411 of 3636 how do I perform an oil change on my "06" chevy impala
Nov 30, 2008 (7:57 pm)
Ive located the oil filter on the left side undercarriage of my vehicle yet i cannot screw off the filter? Is their a specific tool I shoulod be using or are the bolt and nut I see right above said filter holding it in place?Also where is the oil drain plug I havent been able to locate it,these are the two main issues I;'m having with my maintenance and Im trying to avoid the costly price of dealership maintenance and shop costs as I am more than able to perform this simple task etc...
#3412 of 3636 How to for the old school mechanic
Nov 30, 2008 (8:37 pm)
As I can tell the 06 Impala is alot like a foreign car design much like a nissan Maxima,the engine is sideway's and there isnt much room to work now I simple need to know the location of my drain plug for the oil pan and exactly the name of the tool to remove the oil filter?
#3413 of 3636 Re: How to for the old school mechanic [dtomaz]
Dec 02, 2008 (2:15 pm)
What engine does your Impala have? the 5.3L is pretty simple to work when it comes to an oil change. The drain plug is centered and drains towards the front of the car and the oil filter is nearby, toward the left side of the vehicle, hanging straight down to make minimal mess.
Regardless, I can't imagine you'd need any special tool other than a filter wrench to break it loose. I don't know of any filter with a secondary attachment. As for the drain plug, I'm not sure what is hampering you from finding it. Look for a flat piece of metal with a bolt in it aimed slightly down toward the ground.
Dec 23, 2008 (6:16 pm)
the rear brake lights and blinkers have stopped working. bulbs and fuses are fine. first the driver side stopped then a few months later the other side went out. whats going on?
#3415 of 3636 HELP!!!!! ONSTAR ADAPTER WIRING HARNESS
Dec 29, 2008 (10:35 am)
I have a 2006 Impala LS it has on star, but I want to put in a new tv deck in but they are saying I need to buy that onstar adapter wiring kit, I'm not going to use that onstar because I'm not set up for it.....can I just bypass that wiring harness and just hook it up regular, b/c if I use that adapter it probably wont let me play videos. let me know something soon so I can catch this tv while its still on sale.
#3416 of 3636 WHY ARE IMPALA's LOSING SO MUCH VALUE??
Jan 10, 2009 (7:21 pm)
I have a 2006 3LT and when i put it for sale 12/10/08 it had a edmunds true market value of $12,900 with 35,500 miles. I now have 36,100 miles and it has a true market value of $11,200.
I have never seen a car take a $1700 hit of value in 1 month.
Even after having the clutch piston replaced for rough 1-2 shift/shuddering with light throttle and more work done for excessive wear on pinion gears, the car still doesnt shift as smooth as it should, so im just assuming the the 3.9L/4 Speed Auto is not a smooth shifting combo compared to the 3.8L. The dealer keeps telling me to give a good while for the transmission readjust. And it seems to get rougher over time.