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#33683 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [gimmestdtranny]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 08, 2013 (2:36 pm)
Around here the lane departure warning are rumble strips, both on the shoulder edge and on the center line. I hit them often enough that a little car vibe would more appreciated.
But that was just one example - I also want some sort of back-up warning and I've heard good reports about adaptive cruise. Then there are all the passive systems that keep improving. The old van doesn't even have a tire pressure warning system.
#33684 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 08, 2013 (5:47 pm)
I like rumble strips. Great idea..and affordable construction too considering the level of safety it provides. Same with adaptive cruise control. I think that if it is executed right it is a great safety tech. About my only reservation, I guess, is that with so much tech in these ways (self parkers too) that people become too complacent and simply not proactive enough.
I also like backup sensors and cameras..especially with the crash protection body line structures that seem to, more and more, restrict a person's view outta the car.
As for your van and your comment previously..I had been thinking about it and I don't think there is any one excuse you might feel you and Mrs. Steve feel you need might need to justify going ahead and rewarding yourselves and many years of hard work to be where you guys are at today in your lives. I say go ahead, and if you both find a replacement that ticks your boxes (including the passionate ones) then go ahead and retire the trusty Q. And let's face it...if you..God forbid.. did become the victim of a drunk or otherwise incompetent road user, the old Quest has a few years of corrosion which has also compromised much of the integrity that it did have when new.
I'd say the hardest part will be deciding on the suitable replacement, but only because I suspect another minivan is probably the most likely candidate and the choices are relatively few in number compared to all the rest of the vehicles that manufacturers think tick the recreational boxes for the masses. SUVs, CUVs etc
Too bad VW didn't invest in their own van instead of partnering with Chrysler. It probably wouldn't have any better reliability, but something tells me it would ride quieter and handle better (as it is the Routan did handle better) and if I had to be in a crash in one, I think I would put my faith in the VW. Especially in...let's say year 8 or so of ownership, if for no other reason than their superior corrosion resistant manufacturing measures they commit to.
#33685 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [gimmestdtranny]
by Michaell@Edmunds HOST
Sep 08, 2013 (5:54 pm)
IIRC, I think steve is thinking about a small CUV next time around. Minivans have gotten too big the past 5-7 years - other than the Mazda 5.
#33686 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [Michaell@Edmunds]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 08, 2013 (6:13 pm)
Yep. My wife didn't like the Mazda5 last time she looked at one, but she didn't drive it. Love the idea of a stick and her clutch leg is doing good these days so it's still on the list. The Prius V is still at the top of the list. I've been making noises that Toyota is doing a major Prius update for 2015 to try to buy one more year, but I doubt that the V is going to be included in that update, since it's pretty new anyway.
If VW had gone forward with their great retro concept Microbus concept van a while back, they may have drug me back into the fold after a 30 odd year absence.
But cars are just ways to get places for us. A reward is something like the 5 week road trip we just concluded. But since we've moved to the rustbelt a few years back, I'll be sure to use that corrosion comment if I get the itch anytime soon, lol.
#33687 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [Michaell@Edmunds]
Sep 08, 2013 (6:17 pm)
Oh..I didn't know that..well there are a number of options for them then and a with better FE too..
I think the Mazda 5 size is fantastic and personally think there is a much bigger mkt for a smaller sized van than what we have to choose from. We, being NA's..the EU have their pick..
#33688 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [gimmestdtranny]
Sep 09, 2013 (3:37 am)
A friend of mine had the Mazda5 before it got totaled.. with three kids, he went to a Sienna, but they liked the car while they had it.
I wouldn't want one, because the usefulness of a true minivan isn't there... with a van, I want to be able to remove/hide the seats and have a flat floor; even if you use it once a year for camping and once a year for moving something big, it's great when you can do that.
We have a first-gen Sienna, and we use that feature a lot.
It's so nice when your bikes fit upright in the van; try that in a 5...
For 7-day kid shuffling duties and if one needs room for a 6th passenger, then the 5 is a great choice.
And in Steve's case, considering where he lives: Beware the Mazda rust. Fear it, eh?
#33689 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [steine13]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 09, 2013 (4:49 am)
I never sleep in my van but being able to roll the bikes in and bungie them to the side is a nice benefit. No removing the wheel or seat. Of course, if you want to ride before you get to camp, you have to unpack a bunch of stuff in the back to get them out. Probably should just go to a rack on the back.
My canoe rack will handle carrying sheet goods but I don't do much of that anymore anyway.
Rust eh? Is that why I don't see many Mazdas around here?
Or maybe it's because there's only one dealer in the whole UP.
#33690 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 09, 2013 (8:00 am)
Is there a rust problem with Mazdas? I've owned 3, live in Ohio, and never had a problem with rust. One of them was parked outside when my son lived in Eugene, Oregon, where it rains 6 months out of the year.
#33691 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [suydam]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Sep 09, 2013 (8:24 am)
Dunno, my mom's old Protege held up nicely in Chattanooga for a long time, but up here the road crews use Morton's Extra Intense High Corrosion salt on the roads. I think the car industry lobby donates the salt to the counties. Shoot, my sneakers are even falling apart at the seams.
#33692 of 35160 Re: started shopping! [Stever@Edmunds]
Sep 09, 2013 (8:57 am)
>> I think the car industry lobby donates the salt to the counties
That's funny, I've been postulating this for years.
And no, I don't really think it's true.
As far as Mazdas: The Mazda3 and the Proteges definitely have a rust problem where road salt is involved. Look for older ones, check above and around the rear wheel wells. I learned about it from a friend who owns a 3... both sides were rusted through at 9 years old.
I don't know how the other Mazdas fare, but anecdotally, not well.
Six months of rain? Pshaw, I say. Salt is the problem.
Audi and Toyota probably have the best bodies for salted roads. They come with their own respective baggage, of course...
Tundra and Tacoma frames had serious rust problems a decade ago.