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#32328 of 35159 Re: . [gimmestdtranny]
May 19, 2013 (7:10 pm)
I didn't know about this issue. can you tell me more about it? I'd like to make sure I avoid it. I assume that would apply to the Vibe, too?
#32329 of 35159 Re: Cobra details [qbrozen]
May 19, 2013 (7:20 pm)
No, he lives in upstate NY (Oldfarmer territory). And he is really into it, getting involved with the online clubs, and planning to go to a local area show in June.
Definitely a toy, and not for the faint of heart!
May 19, 2013 (7:43 pm)
You can check out the Matrix forum...can't think of the name off hand but an easy search...bad standard trans in Matrix. Yes the Vibe has the identical issue as the Matrix. The Matrix and Vibe use the identical 1.8 litre Corolla engine. Only exgaust routing and slight size differences except on the AWD M and Vibe which has additional rear routing and constrictions to get around the IRS which the Corolla and FWD Matrix/V doesn't use.
You will find Corolla owners with same issue, but not in as great a number, I think mainly because the vast majority of Corolla's sold are autos. I can't imagine the trans being dif in the Corolla and the Matrix. Also be careful if you find ones that have the 6 speed stick. Those ones have a known weak clutch. That's the HO 1.8 and 6 speed.
FWIW, driving gently won't save you from this tran's woes. There is a bearing situated in a too dry area (oil wise). And Toyota completely dropped the ball on these victims, often not helping (not as much as Honda would have for example) and some even had to pay full pop ($4200.) and even had their SECOND trans fail too..as per Oldbearcat's post. Many other victims. Apparently (I haven't been able to confirm) Toyota FINALLY made a change after about 5 freakin' years, but not a lot of reporting of newer cars to know for sure if the tran is dif or not as the 03 and on ones. What really kills me, is I have heard of Toyota charging full pop for a replacement trans in like an 03 to 05 etc. even in year 2009 which failed prematurely AGAIN! Why would they not give these people the newer style trans? Especially the ones who were left no choice but to pay over 4 grand on a car that is not worth it, yet too good to scrap...Some of these poor people still owed the original financing on cars that were just out of wty. Shame on Toyota. And I say that as I used to be a fan. Our immediate family has 6 Toyotas, and all repurchases since about 03. Two are Corollas but always were autos.
Toyota has gotten way too big for their britches, IMO. They're overdue for a serious fall..
So is Hyundai..if you have been following other forums lately...but that's another story..
#32331 of 35159 Re: . [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (2:46 am)
I had a 2005 Vibe with 5 speed. I put 80K miles on it and sold it to my BIL who commuted from eastern LI to Brooklyn and he had it until 170K miles on it when he gave it to his SIL. No tranny issues on that one, and it wasn't babied!
#32332 of 35159 Re: . [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (5:41 am)
Interesting. Ok. So we're talking the throwout bearing, I believe, which is also pointed out in the msn reliability rating on these. They only show a couple of years with the problem, however. I wonder how accurate that is.
I spotted this one and thought it a good deal.
I hadn't heard about the 6-speed clutch, either. I had heard a long time ago that they had many claims on the trans itself because, as one person told me, the gates were so close that folks were jamming the selector into the wrong gear.
May 20, 2013 (8:05 am)
No, it is not the throwout bearing according to a diagram I saw once which I can't put my hands on...almost have a feeling it is buried in that Matrix thread. I have derived my info from that thread and talking with some owners who I see randomly and ask them.
When I looked at the diagram, and saw where the bearing is, it appears to be tucked up in a nestle sorta. When I read about stats such as the post above, not having any trouble (yet), it reminds me of cases when any component that uses a sump of oil whose distribution design is by having a specific level of the gear(s) being submerged in the oil and circulates the gear box or engine (in the case of an old side valve Briggs & Stratton lawnmower, the bottom of the rod were it attaches to the crank actually hits the oil and lubes by splashing) by spinning in the oil and throwing it. Sounds simple enough, but problems can arise if either too much or too little oil is used. Yes, even too much oil can change how a gear is suppose to grab it and throw it due to potential captivation patterns, and centrifugal effects.
Anyway, I guess this is one of those cases where it would be good if we could private message, cuz there's bound to be some CCB's eyes glazing over with a distinctive yawning undertone..lol
edit - pattih, "Matrix Transmission Problems" #21, 20 Apr 2007 10:57 am
post 29 but lots info prior to that too.
It appears that 03 was the worst MY for failures, and some says Toy changed it in 04. But, if you read enough posts, a pattern starts to reveal that it would seem it was not address till much much later.
#32334 of 35159 Re: . [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (8:08 am)
That's ok. I'll probably just avoid them in that case.
anyhoo... back to being a CCB'er... I replaced that sensor in the bimmer and the limp mode went away. Drove it around a while and I noticed a new unpleasant sound in a particular RPM range. Upon further poking around while I had someone hold it in that range, it seems to be coming from deep down in the engine bay. Then, while driving that night, limp mode popped up again. This time without any sputtering or stalling, and it was gone when I restarted the car, and no codes were stored when I got home and hooked up the laptop.
So I think its safe to say I've had it. I'm going to return the car to fully stock form and sell or trade it. And that's where I'm currently in a quandry. I have NO IDEA what I'm going to do next. Trading it would be so much easier, but I'm not sure I want to buy anything else right now. So I'm considering attempting to sell it privately and just hold off on another purchase. The volvo and leaf will certainly serve well enough for my transportation needs. I also have the Benz sitting there, which I did some work on this weekend, and could use that if I am so inclined.
May 20, 2013 (9:11 am)
Hmm, wonder what I could get to make it a three of a kind - maybe a nice white bike:
#32336 of 35159 Re: . [gimmestdtranny]
May 20, 2013 (9:14 am)
I remember my dad had a 68 Fairlane with a 289/3 speed that had a throwout bearing issue - made it hard to shift and get going, especially from a stop, if that makes sense. The car was bought out of an estate with low miles and otherwise nice condition. Eventually he tired of it, had moved, and had me sell it for him. I asked little for the car, and explained it had the issue. I remember the first guy who looked was actually mad that I would ask money for a car with the issue, and that I had wasted his time Second shopper bought the car.
That car was no fun to drive - 3 on the tree, manual steering, manual brakes, no options other than radio.
May 20, 2013 (10:19 am)
A throwout bearing can be a bad design from new, but there are habits to avoid taking one out prematurely. Most common is anyone who rides their left foot on the clutch (just driving down the road) with more pressure than they would imagine. This is also hard on clutch life. Or others who sit at long lights or stop and go for minutes on end with their clutch pushed in. It is the throwout bearing that is taking the pressure that otherwise the clutch spring packs would be exerting on the pressure plate.