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OK I am narrowing the search down by anonymousposts
Nov 05, 2009 (6:01 am)
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We already have a RWD nice mostly sporty sedan in the Lexus. The Prelude is a sporty coupe ... what's missing is a small wagon or utility. Is there such a thing as a fun-to-drive wagon or sedan? BMW wagons are out there but then we get back to the price issue. I've heard a lot of people are unhappy with their X3's. Thought about a CRV but seems that the 07's had a differential issue and the new ones are way expensive .. might as well get a BMW.
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Re: OK I am narrowing the search down [anonymousposts] by corvette
Nov 05, 2009 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: anonymousposts (Nov 05, 2009 6:01 am)

The '07 CR-Vs had some sort of noise issue with the diff or AWD system, I think it was corrected by changing the fluid. I've read several posts about an unfixable vibration that Honda calls a "harmonic tingle" on the current generation of CR-Vs.
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Re: I have considered the following [qbrozen] by british_rover
Nov 05, 2009 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 04, 2009 4:06 pm)

I didn't even pay attention to the year I am spacey this week.
 
I agree with kyfdx go look at a 9-3. You can buy 2007 anniversary editions with the six year 100,000 CPO warranty for mid-high teens now depending on the mileage.
 
210 hp turbocharged 4 cylinder and mid 30s mpg with a manual on the highway. An automatic gives you low 30s.
 
2007 models got six speed manuals as standard equipment too. 2006 and under 9-3s were five speeds unless they were an Aero and you don't want the Aero V6 motor.
 
The anniversary edition gave you all the good stuff from the Aero (Nicer interior, nicer seats, more leather, nicer leather, better wheels, little spoiler, better sound system etc.) but without that Turbo V6. I would rather have the lighter more efficient 210 hp 4 cylinder then the big heavy inefficient 255 V6.
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Re: OK I am narrowing the search down [anonymousposts] by oregonboy
Nov 05, 2009 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: anonymousposts (Nov 05, 2009 6:01 am)

what's missing is a small wagon or utility. Is there such a thing as a fun-to-drive wagon or sedan?

 
Have you considered the Subaru XT, either the Outback or the Forester? It was even available (for a short time) with a manual transmission!
 
Subaru
 
(It bugs me when they take the interior photos with the steering wheel upside-down)
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Re: I have considered the following [anonymousposts] by woodyww
Nov 05, 2009 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: anonymousposts (Nov 04, 2009 12:27 pm)

Would you ever really buy a bmw? If you want one, you need to focus on that, IMO. The saab is easy to rule out, reliability, I'd get an Audi way before a saab. ("Sob" is what you do when the warranty runs out on a Saab). Camry???? More boring than the honda you just sold. TL, fine, but how many accords have you already owned?
 
My list: bmw 3, lexus GS, or MDX. I can't remember your current fleet, but if you don't have an SUV or wagon already, that's what I'd get.....
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Re: I have considered the following [woodyww] by british_rover
Nov 05, 2009 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: woodyww (Nov 05, 2009 9:42 am)

Oh god not an Audi.
 
Seriously an Audi out of warranty scares me much more then any Saab ever would. The saabs are relatively simple compared to an Audi. Parts prices are much more reasonable and depending on your area finding a good independent saab mechanic is much easier then a good Audi one.
 
Pick your poison Audi is either much less relaible then a Saab or the other way around.
 
consumer reports says one thing
 
and JD Powers says the exact opposite
 
CR is trying to predict reliability of 2010 models while JD Powers is saying what 2006 models are doing. There were a lot of changes to the 9-3 in particular between 2006 and just 2007 so that explains some of it. The 9-5 got a few changes over the past three years and the least reliable model the 9-7X was dropped for 2010.
 
Interesting on the CR report it says the 9-5 is the worst model for model year 2010. I guess CR knows something I don't because as far as I know there won't be a 2010 9-5 and when the 9-5 does come out for the 2011 MY it will be an all new model.
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Re: So.. off today.. [roadburner] by pp2009pp
Nov 05, 2009 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 04, 2009 7:45 pm)

The economy is such that I have never had a BMW sales person not offer a test drive. In fact, they have been particularly accommodating all along.
 
From what I understand used cars are particularly profitable to boot. If you had one who walked away from you without that, that would be unbelievable.
 
Although the Q5 is supposedly in very short supply, even the Audi salesperson was anxious to have me try out everything and then did any number of follow up phone calls. Ditto other premium manufacturers. In fact, the only people who seemed to be fat and happy were the Prius guys.
 
 
 
That must be saying something about the future of gas prices.
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Re: So.. off today.. [pp2009pp] by roadburner
Nov 05, 2009 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: pp2009pp (Nov 05, 2009 11:29 am)

The economy is such that I have never had a BMW sales person not offer a test drive. In fact, they have been particularly accommodating all along.
 
Try following the thread a little better; I was calling a Porsche dealer located 110 miles away from where I live...
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Re: So.. off today.. [roadburner] by pp2009pp
Nov 05, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 05, 2009 12:01 pm)

"Went to look at the M3 that the Jeep dealer had. It was advertised as dark blue but it was black. How do you make that mistake? Idiots. It also had brand new Blizzaks fitted to the stock rims. On top of all that I just didn't get a good vibe from it. The salesguy could tell I wasn't too impressed and just walked away. No test drive- why waste everybody's time?
The search continues... "
 
--- I have NEVER seen that. That simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever. These guys would grab any prospect by the lapels and make you take a test drive if they could.
 
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anonys wagon by stickguy
Nov 05, 2009 (9:16 pm)
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well, if you want something not too big, but that can handle cargo, try a Mazda 6 wagon. I think those were all V6? But you could get a stick I am pretty sure.
 
They also had the hatch version with the 4, but the 6 is quite a bit quicker IIIRC.
 
good enough reliability, and should be quite a bit cheaper than a lot of the other options. Can come with all the goodies too.

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