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Living in Coral Springs Florida which is a suburb of Pompano Beach, I'd be glad to go check out the Volvo for ya...that guy is only about 9 miles from my house. I agree, the leather looks nice but those carpets kill the car. The Sandman 
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Replying to: sandman46 (May 16, 2008 4:32 pm) thanks! |
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| I like the orangey seats, they look better in person, but not with the gray paint (which I also like) | |
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Replying to: woodyww (May 16, 2008 3:19 pm) Hospital grade outlets aren't expensive; I paid  $20 for two- and they supply power to the entire HTS. Blue Jeans Cable??? Blue Jeans Cable sells excellent HTS cables and interconnects at very reasonable prices. Their Belden 12 AWG cable only costs $0.57/ft. The 10 "banana plug" terminations I used at the receiver end only cost $35. As a matter of fact, I didn't pay anything close to retail for any component in my system. As an example, I bought my subwoofer at a 20% discount plus free shipping from California(it weighed 82 pounds). I later found a $900 DVD player for $250. I knew what I wanted and I was VERY patient- and I saved a ton of money...
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Replying to: qbrozen (May 15, 2008 12:00 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (May 17, 2008 9:25 am) For your patients that chew gum (echem, customers that use the feature), has hill descent control been a big selling point? I am starting to see it pop up in a lot of different places, and for most of them, I just can't see the draw. OTOH, LR buyers seem to appreciate and actually use off road capability from time to time... How does it work?
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 17, 2008 11:22 am) When we do our off road driving school we do not use HDC at all. The only electronics used are on the vehicles that have 4ETC and/or Terrain Response. There are some situations, a long steep hill that looks dry but actually has mud underneath is one, where HDC can be dangerous. The HDC pulsating the brakes could cause a wheel to lock up for a split second which could start a slide that the electronics can't save. Obviously the torque converter is variable and 1,800 or so rpms it is locked up 1:1 but at idle speed or a little above idle speed it is closer to 2:1. A 90:1 or nearly 90:1 crawl ratio is very, very slow at idle speed. In fact for Land Rovers HDC target speed in low range is about 1 mph at idle. I can't speak for other makes as I don't know what kind of programs they are using but for Land Rover you can adjust that target speed by using the cruise control. Every tap of the button increases or decreases the target speed by about 0.1mph. The programs are actually all set in kilometers not MPH so it is around 0.1 mph. The target speed in high range is around 6 mph but that can be increased or decreased a fair amount. On the LR2/Freelander 2 the default target speed is either 7.2 mph or 6.2 I forget exactly with the max speed being around 12.2 mph and the minimum being around 3.4 mph. Land Rover invented Hill Decent Control back in the 90s and it debuted in the original Freelander for Europe in 1997/1997. Now everyone has their own version of it but Land Rover has actually made an even more advanced version for the Freelander 2/LR2. They came up with GRC(Gradient Release Control) basically a modified version of the hill hold/start assist you see on manual transmission vehicles. In Europe just about all Freelander 2s are manual Diesel models since they get almost 40 mph highway and GRC is great for that but they even have it on the automatic equipped models. HDC takes a second or so to catch the car as it rolls down a very steep hill so GRC bleeds the brake pressure slowly and allows HDC to catch the car without a sudden acceleration. Also the HDC system on the LR2 will automatically select the lowest target speed when going down a rough hill. The computer can detect the suspension bumping up and down over ruts or holes and trys to slow the car down more to increase control. I have no idea if the generic versions of HDC the other brands are using have any of these capabilities because I wouldn't risk taking one of them on our off road demonstration course to try them out. I assume BMW's version has some of these features as BMW owned Land Rover when the original HDC was developed. |
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Replying to: roadburner (May 16, 2008 9:21 pm) Blue Jeans Strikes Back
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Replying to: corvette (May 17, 2008 2:09 pm) Oh yes, I've seen it and I love it. I hope that BJC nails Monster Cable to the wall. BJC isn't the cheapest cable out there, but it's high quality and BJC refuses to make those pseudo-scientific BS claims that are the "High End" cable manufacturers' stock in trade.
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Replying to: roadburner (May 17, 2008 9:14 pm)
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