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#245 of 353 Re: CNG kit and PA [kaseyjones1]
Jul 19, 2007 (7:30 am)
Rather than a Ford Focus, consider the Honda Civic GX. We have a dedicated CNG 1998 Honda Civic GX. It was built and designed as a CNG vehicle, rather than a conversion. We have never had any problems with the car and recommend it to anyone who is seriously considering a CNG vehicle. Many used Civic GX are available from fleets for very reasonable prices. When we purchased our GX, it cost $19,000, while 2007 GX costs are in the $24,000 range (though federal and local tax incentives are $2,000 greater than they were in 1998).
While the new GX has many improvements, we fully expect our engine and fuel system to outlast the car. We currently have nearly 75,000 clean miles on our Civic GX. We still manage 30 mpg with all around driving, and can reach the upper 30's on highway trips.
Though there are several sites listing used Honda Civic GX vehicles for sale, here are some where you may begin a search. Be certain to contact the Natural Gas Vehicle Association in your local area. They are a valuable resource. Checking Craigslist in areas closest to you would be a good source of used GX, though I failed to find anything on the Philadelphia list. Checking local gas utilities for used vehicles is often an excellent way to find a low price on a used Civic GX. Good luck!
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#246 of 353 Re: Where to get CNG fueled vehicle labels? [cnguser]
Jul 19, 2007 (5:34 pm)
I got you a bumper sticker with this message:
Natural Gas Vehicle
Car Pool Lane - OK
It's not fancy, but I have it for you. It may or may not work for you; would you like it?
Here's another option: I found a Web site that will make custom bumper stickers. Haven't tried them, but anybody interested can see http://www.autolettering.com.
#247 of 353 Re: CNG kit and PA [d_link]
Jul 20, 2007 (3:07 am)
Thank you for your info. I am a Ford fan and would rather find or create same. I have done extensive propane forklift work and alot of fabrication over the years so, I would really like to create a CNG Focus if I can find a kit.
Thank you again,
#248 of 353 Re: CNG kit and PA [kaseyjones1]
Jul 20, 2007 (9:25 am)
If you are truly a Ford fan, does that extend to Volvo, which is owned by Ford? If it does, Volvo has made several versions of bifuel cars. They are only available, unfortunately, in Europe. If you are interested, you will have to act quickly, however, for Ford has decided to end ALL PRODUCTION of bifuel Volvo vehicles and invest their time and money in ethanol mix cars instead (this is one of the worst decisions Ford has ever made, but you appear to understand that CNG is a much better fuel simply by your membership in this forum).
Good luck in your search.
#249 of 353 Re: CNG kit and PA [d_link]
Jul 20, 2007 (12:16 pm)
I think that one of Ford's worst decisions (among many bad choices) was to end production of dedicated CNG vehicles here in the US. I love my Crown Vic, but replacement options are few and far between for a full size car.
As to converting a Focus, I have a feeling that the effort and expense involved would make the project unfeasible.
Jul 20, 2007 (2:02 pm)
You would probablty be better off converting to propane, would cost less.
#251 of 353 Re: CNG kit and PA [d_link]
Jul 20, 2007 (4:14 pm)
Ford and Mazda only. Not really interested in Volvo or Jag. Thanks for the info though.
#252 of 353 Re: Where to get CNG fueled vehicle labels? [whoolia]
Jul 21, 2007 (9:38 am)
Whoolia - Thanks for the lead. The sticker you have would not be applicable in Oregon, so I will look into having one made from Autolettering.
I think if we would all get a bumper sticker to note our Natural Gas powered vehicles - more people would take interest and get involved!
#253 of 353 Re: CNG kit and PA [kaseyjones1]
Jul 21, 2007 (10:03 am)
If you have some $ to spend and like to travel, go to South America where (I last saw for 2006) FORD offers several factory built CNG models of the FOCUS. Might be able to get a good used one. Only challenge would be getting it US-EPA certified for use in here.
Also, I read that somewhere in Europe, Mercedes has a CNG version of one of its cars.
It is a shame that these are so downplayed and ignored in the US by various entities. American HONDA deserves kudos for keeping CNG cars alive here!
#254 of 353 Re: CNG Clean Air Vehicle Labels
Jul 21, 2007 (11:10 am)
The labels do not have PG&E, any state, or local jurisdiction as part of the label. They simply state:
Clean Air Vehicle (large letters)
Powered by Natural Gas (smaller letters)
If you are interested, I will attempt to locate some at our local PG&E yard. They might be willing to part with some, since we have been refueling with them since 1998.