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Natural Gas fueled vehicles by Sylvia STAFF
Jun 19, 2004 (7:27 am)
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Discuss natural gas fueled vehicles here.
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CNG continued by gagrice
Jun 19, 2004 (9:05 am)
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I stand corrected Well_Informed. I was not up on the Natural Gas reserves around the world. I read and article when we built the base in Qatar that they were sitting on the world's largest known reserve. We also agree on diesel being the most efficient use of our natural resources. I would love to have an MB E320 CDI. Again CARB's shortsightedness is blocking all small diesels. Even with ULSD I don't believe they will change their view of small Diesel vehicles.
AS for the LNG/CNG debate. I think they can build ports and LNG terminals in more remote areas and pipe the natural gas to the markets. I am not sure how much more it adds to the cost. I know Alaska was shipping gas to Korea for a while during the 1970s. Not sure if that operation is still going or not. At least if we use natural gas for city buses and delivery trucks it will help improve our air quality. What caught my attention with the Civic CNG was the $423 for 15k miles in a year. It is hard to imagine a more economical environmentally sound vehicle.
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Low and behold by Sylvia STAFF
Jun 19, 2004 (10:42 am)
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I was out running errands this morning and parked next to a Honda Civic NG. The owner loves it, says it has been very reliable. The biggest issue of course is not being able to pull into any old gas station on a long trip. The fill-up points require planning.
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Re: Low and behold [Sylvia #3] by gagrice
Jun 19, 2004 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: Sylvia (Jun 19, 2004 10:42 am)

What city are you in? The fill-up points was the main reason I did not put CNG into my full size Chevy PU back in 1996.
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by well_informed
Jun 19, 2004 (11:10 am)
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I was out running errands this morning and parked next to a Honda Civic NG. The owner loves it, says it has been very reliable. The biggest issue of course is not being able to pull into any old gas station on a long trip. The fill-up points require planning.
 
I'd believe that. Since CNG is a far cleaner fuel than gasoline, an extra advantage of the CNG Civic over the already high-reliability Gas Civic, is that it will be extremely reliable and require far less maintenance, have less wear and tear etc.
 
One solution to the trunk space problem is to make it a station wagon, preferably a tall station wagon with a high driving position, since this is the reason SUVs are so popular.
 
Then you still have an economy car, easy to park, and can still take 5 people and their stuff on a trip.
 
and when you have a bigger trunk, and even a double floor (like the Merc A-class), youc an store extra fuel, so the range can go to a more palatable 350-400 miles, so one can buy it as a family car.
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Re: Low and behold [gagrice #4] by Sylvia STAFF
Jun 20, 2004 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 19, 2004 11:03 am)

Northern CA - north of San Fran
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Re: [well_informed #5] by gagrice
Jun 20, 2004 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: well_informed (Jun 19, 2004 11:10 am)

I think it is even better suited to a PU truck. It will take up some bed space. I noticed this morning on Interstate 8 in San Diego. A sign saying Natural Gas next exit. Maybe I will buy one of the trucks set up to run both. You can switch over to unleaded if you get low on CNG with no place to fill-up. It makes more sense than Hydrogen fuel cells. Does anyone know how much Natural Gas it takes to generate a KWH in a fuel cell?
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Re: [well_informed] by stevedebi
Aug 03, 2004 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: well_informed (Jun 19, 2004 11:10 am)

"One solution to the trunk space problem is to make it a station wagon, preferably a tall station wagon with a high driving position, since this is the reason SUVs are so popular."
 
Hmmm, seems like the Honda CR-V would be a good choice; it has a large wheel space under the rear deck (would fit a limited use spare). We call it the "ice chest" because it will hold water. If they combined this space with the stock tank, it would probablly have enough range...
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Re: [stevedebi] by gagrice
Aug 03, 2004 (8:19 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Aug 03, 2004 3:28 pm)

I think the only thing holding back CNG cars is fueling stations. Also the tank is big for a given range. I think the CRV would be a good choice. The Civic GX is cleaner burning than the Prius according to the EPA. And the price of fuel is like equivalent to $.90 a gallon. I almost converted my old Chevy PU.
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Re: [gagrice] by stevedebi
Aug 04, 2004 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 03, 2004 8:19 pm)

I don't know, when I fill up my tank for the barbeque, it runs about 1.59 a gallon... which is still cheaper than gasoline.
 
I think that one could go cross country on LNG, but would have to plan carefully. Out here in the west, there are lots of LNG companies, since many rural homes use it for fuel. In the big cities, at least here in LA, there are numerous places with LNG.

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