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Audi A4, Sedan
#1308 of 1366 Re: As for A4 engines... [markcincinnati]
Sep 22, 2006 (8:27 pm)
"NO A6 FWD's and NO A4 FWD's have been sold, so says the sales mgr here in Cinti -- at least since 2004".
O boy, Sound's like some people need to hear Mr. Shipo's "winter tires are better then awd speech" That is just hard to imagine. Granted Audi has hung it's hat on the "unfair advantage of Quattro" Although now everybody's doing it..
One of my biggest issues of Fwd ( and I have a few) is torque steer. And Audi/VW do the best job on that. My TDI with Gobs of torque at 1900 rpm has none. I hear it has to do with this new electro mechanical steering. Honestly I dont care what the "why" or "how" is, long as it works.
To me Audi allways meant Value, which right now has me scratching my head...
#1309 of 1366 Re: As for A4 engines... [markcincinnati]
Sep 23, 2006 (6:28 am)
Here in NE Ohio I believe that Audi dealers do actually move a fair number of FWD A3's and A4's. Once I had to rent an A4 and it was a FWD'er with a slush box. That auto trans with the 1.8t engine was miserable for lack of power.
I believe that with the A3 you still have to pony up for the six cylinder engine to get a Quattro-configured car, which makes the A3 nutty expensive, considering that you are now close to the price of an A4 with the two liter and a Torsen AWD setup. The two liter A4 isn't very far from the six cylinder A3 in acceleration, gets better fuel efficiency, and has a nicer interior. The A4 also handles better, based on road tests that I've read and my uncalibrated butt-o-meter.
But then, as you say, BMW has changed every thing with the new 335i series. To counter this Audi is going to have to bump up the base engine to around 230 - 250 hp and perhaps swap the 3.2 liter for the 3.6 liter VW engine. This would at least keep Audi in spitting distance of the new 3xx series (assuming Audi keeps the price point from drifting too far up).
And this would be a great opportunity to slap that new 265 hp four into the A4.
But I bet that BMW's first targets were the current Lexi & Infinitis, which seem to have initiated the hp war.
Audi has time before the release of the B8 A4 to reconsider the engine configurations. I bet that Ingolstadt will 'get it'.
Last year when I drove a number of cars (from a Subie STI to an Acura TL), I nearly bought a BMW 330. And now with the 335i, I think that Audi would probably come in second. All that extra hp would really help on my 18 mile round trip to work. My usual average trip speed is a blistering 30 mph
#1310 of 1366 Re: As for A4 engines... [byronwalter]
Sep 23, 2006 (8:35 am)
"But then, as you say, BMW has changed every thing with the new 335i series. To counter this Audi is going to have to bump up the base engine to around 230 - 250 hp and perhaps swap the 3.2 liter for the 3.6 liter VW engine."
The problem here is that the VW 3.6 won't fit in an A4 (or even possibly the A6) due to its length. The A4 and A6 engine bays were designed for a longitudinal engine mount and as such require shorter/fatter engines, on the other hand, the Passat (which can accommodate the VW 3.6 liter mill) was designed for a transverse type of engine mount allowing a thinner/longer mill.
#1311 of 1366 Re: As for A4 engines... [shipo]
Sep 23, 2006 (9:38 am)
Googling "3.2T FSI" produces some "encouraging" results, though.
#1312 of 1366 Re: As for A4 engines... [shipo]
Sep 23, 2006 (2:55 pm)
Thanks for the insight on the A4 engine bay limitations.
#1313 of 1366 Want info on 2.0 T Engine
Sep 25, 2006 (12:01 pm)
I am considering purchase of a 2006 A4 that has a 2.0 T engine. I have a '98 A4 with the 6 cyl. engine.
Can anyone give me some thoughts on:
1) Reliability of the Turbo (have >100K on the 6 w/no Probs.)
2) Whether Premium gas is REALLY required
3) Performance with an Auto Trans. compared to the 6 cyl.
4) How the 4 cyl compares to the 6 in MPG
#1314 of 1366 Re: Want info on 2.0 T Engine [63jag]
Sep 25, 2006 (12:48 pm)
This is a great engine. Maintain it and it should go 150K miles.
Premium is required, but I know the story about the engine management computer and its ability to retard the spark enough to prevent pre ignition and other nasty side effects. But, using regular costs more, that using premium, so apparently you WANT to spend more money, which confuses the heck outta me.
Performance with the Auto compared to the 2.8 V6? Or the 3.2.
I have driven all three plus the 1.8T (with both transmissions.)
The 2.0T does have decent HP and torque and very little lag.
But the 2.0T, IMHO, begs for the stick for power and performance. But it is better than just OK even with the auto.
The 4 is a sipper compared with the 6.
Were you to use 1000 gallons per year:
I know it is $200. But it is a relatively small amount for the gains in both mileage and performance.
At $3, well:
And, gulp, at $4, well even less:
So the markup is $200 for Prem vs. Reg.
The probability of "below $2/ gal regular for a prolonged period of time" -- your guess is as good as mine.
I think we're not likely to be too shocked at $3/ gallon returning "in the near term."
#1315 of 1366 Re: Want info on 2.0 T Engine [markcincinnati]
Sep 25, 2006 (1:12 pm)
I saw an interview a while back with Boone Pickins. He suggested that prices would reach $5 before $2. Well in Dallas there's a $1.96 today I see... Opps
#1316 of 1366 Went to the AudiUSA site. . .
Oct 03, 2006 (6:15 am)
. . .and could NOT find an A4 3.2 in the configurator, only versions of the A4 2.0T and S and RS. Did the threat of the 335i from BMW kill the A4 3.2?
Went there again, and there it is, never mind.
#1317 of 1366 Re: As for A4 engines... [shipo]
Oct 23, 2006 (7:27 pm)
"The problem here is that the VW 3.6 won't fit in an A4 (or even possibly the A6) due to its length"
How about the 4.2 litre in the RS? That fits, so my guess is that the 3.6 from VW should fit too... though I dont really think Audi is going to do it, they`ll come up with something smarter than that.