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Re: Trouble in Ingolstadt? [markcincinnati] by shipo
Sep 21, 2006 (8:18 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 21, 2006 8:10 am)

Yes, Shipo, but you're wrong!
 
Hehe, I love being wrong, it's sooooo much fun.
 
Hmmm, let's see, an A3 or an A4 with a 2.0T putting out say 250HP to the rear wheels through a 6-Speed manual and some form of an LSD down stream of the tranny. Being wrong never felt so good.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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. by wale_bate1
Sep 21, 2006 (8:46 am)
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As I still teeter on the edge of an S4 Avant, I awaken everytime Shipo drops a "RWD rules" post in the odd thread, and just slap my forehead a la Homer (not the Iliad).
 
"D'oh!"
 
I own the last RWD compact wagon sold in this silly country of ours, and loathe am I to give it up, Japanese though it may be.
 
"Dear Audi:
 
For Christmas, I would like a 250hp RWD compact wagon with all the Audi beauty of design and style I have come to know and love, plus the S4's suspension and a strong shot of DSG.
 
Warmest wishes for the season,
Wale"
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Re: Trouble in Ingolstadt? [markcincinnati] by dl7265
Sep 21, 2006 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 21, 2006 8:10 am)

I though the A4 was to have a rear drive bias Quattro by now ? Not that it would help with Hp/Mpg but perhaps in feel.
 
Also, you mentioned a price reduction in the '07 line? I checked and a A4 2.0TQ 6 speed show's the same MSRP, perhaps the site needs some updating ?
 
DL
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Re: . [wale_bate1] by dl7265
Sep 21, 2006 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Sep 21, 2006 8:46 am)

EDIT: 170Hp 2.0 TDI
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Re: . [dl7265] by wale_bate1
Sep 21, 2006 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: dl7265 (Sep 21, 2006 10:01 am)

You say "tomato" and I say "tomahto"...
 
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Re: Trouble in Ingolstadt? [dl7265] by markcincinnati
Sep 21, 2006 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: dl7265 (Sep 21, 2006 9:59 am)

I spoke with two Audi reps, guys I have know for some time and guys who, with me at least, are not likely to even attempt to ladle it on.
 
They indicated that the CONTENT has been "upped." The same money now gets more, so they contend. I did NOT vet this and really am not inclined to do so. If I am guilty of misspeaking, I will of course retract what I said once I get the story laid out.
 
My "gut" is that BMW is doing something similar.
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Is that ice I see? by markcincinnati
Sep 21, 2006 (12:23 pm)
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Re: Dear Audi, send me an RWD A3 or A4 or whatever. . . .
 
When hell freezes over, I would wager, will be when Audi goes RWD.
 
YES -- they HAVE already put the engineering, development and manufacturing bucks into a 40 / 60 f/r torque split torsen diff. It is NOT yet across all cars.
 
As far as I know, ONLY the TT is NON torsen (of the quattro versions of the Audi line-up.)
 
The rest are torsen and are mostly 50 / 50 f/r torque split with "instant" power shifting capabilities (front or rear up to 75%, as I recall of the power fore or aft as needed.)
 
The few 40 / 60 f/r torque split torsen equipped Audi quattro cars can, so the press release says, shift up to 100% (rearward) when being REAR WHEEL DRIVE would provide the greatest performance benefit.
 
The upcoming B8 A4 has been leaked to offer: 40 / 60 f/r torque split in the quattro version (using torsen) and will also have the engine pushed 4 inches backwards doing a yeoman's job of improving the f/r weight distribution.
 
When this happens and if there is an S-Line version AND if there is a 3.2T FSI engine mated to a 7 speed DSG transmission AND the price stays below $49,999 decently equipped, I would think the BMW 335 threat would be nullified (RWD 335 OR X-drive 335.)
 
Other "chassis" improvements (to be found on some other websites) are rumored, too. These improvements, purportedly are to further improve Audis handling prowess with "advanced" quattro (TorSen) systems.
 
RWD, I Really Well Doubt you will see it any time soon, folks. Maybe if Dr. Piech drops dead.
 
Nah, probably not even then.
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Re: Is that ice I see? [markcincinnati] by shipo
Sep 21, 2006 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 21, 2006 12:23 pm)

"YES -- they HAVE already put the engineering, development and manufacturing bucks into a 40 / 60 f/r torque split torsen diff. It is NOT yet across all cars.
  
As far as I know, ONLY the TT is NON torsen (of the quattro versions of the Audi line-up.)"

 
Ummm, how about the A3??? Last time I checked it was a Haldex (sp?) AWD system.
 
"The few 40 / 60 f/r torque split torsen equipped Audi quattro cars can, so the press release says, shift up to 100% (rearward) when being REAR WHEEL DRIVE would provide the greatest performance benefit."
 
Well, for me at least, that really isn't the point. Speaking strictly for myself, I really don't want an AWD car that is a RWD wannabe, and as such is carrying around all of extra FWD hardware and its associated mechanical drag and weight.
 
Thinking about this from a pure drive train perspective, it seems to me that the A4, A6 and A8 really are RWD cars with a trick tranny that can send power to the front as well. Yes, no? If that's the case, they why can't the fine folks at Audi just market a model without all of that extra hardware up there at the front end?
 
Once again I'm playing the "Loyal RWD Opposition" here.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Is that ice I see? [shipo] by markcincinnati
Sep 21, 2006 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Sep 21, 2006 2:18 pm)

I should have said the TT and derivative models, for the A3 and the TT are that and the VW R32 is another example.
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Re: Trouble in Ingolstadt? [markcincinnati] by dl7265
Sep 21, 2006 (11:11 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 21, 2006 12:08 pm)

OK, apparently the New Euro style web site is jacked. But best I can tell the former sunroof/leather for $1400.00 and 17" for $150. Are now combined for $800 bucks. Kind of makes up for the $600 price increase last 01/06 . O' wait they took away free maintence...
 
DL

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